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runwoj
Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/10/2012 10:20PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Another great sub-4 miler leaving for Norman. Good luck to Pat, great runner and guy!
Distance Geezer
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/10/2012 11:12PM - in reply to runwoj Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
KPack
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/10/2012 11:43PM - in reply to runwoj Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
is he planning on walking on to the bball team.
Hank Moody
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 12:00AM - in reply to KPack Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

KPack wrote:

is he planning on walking on to the bball team.


+1
Reality Bath
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 2:23AM - in reply to Hank Moody Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Stepping into a real distance program. He is a prodigy rising closer to his potential.
AN ACTUAL D1 COACH
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 7:13AM - in reply to Reality Bath Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
2 sub-4 milers transferring?
1. Legal contacting?
2. Scholarship available?
Wendell Gee
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 7:56AM - in reply to AN ACTUAL D1 COACH Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
In the case of one of them, I know the coach gave permission for him to speak with other schools.
Hey Bud
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 7:59AM - in reply to AN ACTUAL D1 COACH Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

AN ACTUAL D1 COACH wrote:

2 sub-4 milers transferring?
1. Legal contacting?
2. Scholarship available?



I don't know the circumstances behind these transfers(Masters, Casey, and Hurysz(wherever he ends up) but I assume that there are two primary motives:

1) Running with a better team
2) More scholarship money available



The way the landscape in track and field is going, it appears likely that three trends will continue.

1) The Ivy's will continue to "sign" good prospects as the financial aid packages make the ROI look attractive for qualified student/athletes.
2) The BCS conference schools will have the scholarship funds available for track and field/cross country athletes (notwithstanding the current situation at Maryland which is really of their own making).
3) State schools outside the BCS conferences will continue to feel pressure on their scholarship allotments and annual budgets.
DiegoBuysYouHooker!
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 8:27AM - in reply to Hey Bud Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
irony
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 9:13AM - in reply to DiegoBuysYouHooker! Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Casey on instride 3 weeks ago:

"Sounds like the NCAA is turning into the NBA with all these transfers... Anyone wanna take their talents to Montana St.? Maybe put together a big 3? Hell we could use the help up here!!!"
Posted 3 weeks ago - Comment - Favorite - Like
rabbittruns
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 9:24AM - in reply to DiegoBuysYouHooker! Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
don't release them? that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.. these are human beings for crying out loud, and you have no idea the true circumstances behind them wanting to leave.. obviously something isn't right. i am a huge fan of athletes rights, and i think it is insane that a coach can force you to sit out a whole year by not releasing you just for spite.
markboen
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 10:30AM - in reply to runwoj Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
"Coaches, grow a backbone and don't release them. Part of your job is to educate and teaching people that it's ok to be 100% self-centered is wrong."

I 100% disagree. The percentage of high visibility star athletes transferring to a new college/university is miniscule. Personally, I hate moving. Packing up, leaving friends, favorite places, and moving to a strange place is difficult at best. When these kinds of moves occur, I have to believe that a lot of thought (soul searching) went into these decisions.

I feel these things are reminiscent to a employee leaving for another job. You hate to see a star employee leave, but you're not going to sabotage their next job and their ability to make a living.

If I was a track/cross country coach at a D1 school, I wouldn't interfere with these rare moves. If they're not happy, go somewhere else. And if a received a transfer, I would hope that he/she would be immediately released to run for me.

Bottom line, a coach that refuses to release an athlete looks like a sore loser.
What's good for the goose
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 10:52AM - in reply to markboen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'll be in favor of athletes sitting out for a year when coaches also have to sit out for a year when then jump ship for a bigger paycheck or a more prestigious school.

Or is it not "self-centered" when coaches abandon the athletes they recruited just to get a bigger paycheck?
A little rowdy
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 11:01AM - in reply to markboen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Looks like he only did have half a plane ticket.

Bozeman - Bangor ~2000mi
Bozeman - Norman ~1000mi
As the crow flies, of course.
InWyo
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 11:11AM - in reply to What's good for the goose Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
How far did you think Pat could have gotten under Dale Kennedy at Bozeman? I was surprised that he went to Montana in the first place. If you are a X-C skier, go to Bozeman, but a running talent like Pat, you need a better training environment and he needs to be surrounded by some more talent. If I were Kennedy, I would have released him in a heart beat as well.
LI Runner
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 11:17AM - in reply to What's good for the goose Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

What's good for the goose wrote:

I'll be in favor of athletes sitting out for a year when coaches also have to sit out for a year when then jump ship for a bigger paycheck or a more prestigious school.

Or is it not "self-centered" when coaches abandon the athletes they recruited just to get a bigger paycheck?


THIS!!!

End of discussion.
kalfjeiodoiiiiiii
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 11:26AM - in reply to LI Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I agree. Athletes should be able to transfer if they want. its self centered of coaches if they don't release them. They should let them go and focus on the athletes they are currently training.
hahahaha
Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 12:36PM - in reply to kalfjeiodoiiiiiii Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You obviously don't get it and that is part of the problem with all of this. So many coaches put everything into coaching. It is their career and how they put food on the table. There is a big difference between an athlete and a coach in this situation.
from montana
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 12:54PM - in reply to InWyo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

InWyo wrote:

How far did you think Pat could have gotten under Dale Kennedy at Bozeman? I was surprised that he went to Montana in the first place. If you are a X-C skier, go to Bozeman, but a running talent like Pat, you need a better training environment and he needs to be surrounded by some more talent. If I were Kennedy, I would have released him in a heart beat as well.



he wen to montana state because he is from the billings area and he was only a 4:24ish miler in high school
interpreter
RE: Pat Casey Leaving Montana State for Oklahoma! 1/11/2012 12:57PM - in reply to hahahaha Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

hahahaha wrote:

You obviously don't get it and that is part of the problem with all of this. So many coaches put everything into coaching. It is their career and how they put food on the table. There is a big difference between an athlete and a coach in this situation.


Interpretation: Coaches coach for money and only money. They can be as greedy and self centered as they want. Athletes should only think and act in the coach's best interest.
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