Just came across this result from an old mate down under at the 10km road race held during the Gold Coast Marathon
31. Steve Moneghetti, 1962, AUS 32:58
Just came across this result from an old mate down under at the 10km road race held during the Gold Coast Marathon
31. Steve Moneghetti, 1962, AUS 32:58
Thanks for having a thread for the 50+ folks.
I'm not sure if this the right place to ask this, but I can't find a mention of it elsewhere, so I'm hoping someone here might know.
On the USATF.com website, it lists the 50+ mens age record for a 5K road race as 15:23, set by Dennis Simonaitis on 9/30/2012.
However, on 11/22/2012, Dennis ran a 15:14 5k at the Silicon Valley 5k. I believe that course is also certified by the USATF, and meets the course requirements for setting a record.
http://svturkeytrot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/AMSVTT-Start-Corral-FINAL.pdf
Does anyone know why the 15:14 time isn't listed on the USATF website, as the new record? I am wondering if the website is simply behind with updates, or if there is a reason that the record remains at 15:23. Thanks in advance.
I don't know the actual answer, but Dennis mark might not be recognized because he didn't submit the required paperwork or the course wasn't USATF sanctioned or a half a dozen other reasons that masters marks don't get officially recognized. Pete Magill ran close to 15 min., I believe, at 50 and that mark wasn't recognized because although the course was certified, the race director didn't pay for the USATF sanction and thus, no record.
There has been a fair amount of discussion among the top level masters of the extreme difficulty in getting masters marks accepted by the USATF official(s).
Thanks for stepping up and taking that one, MG. As she said, there could be any number of reasons, but there has been a lot of frustration regarding getting records ratified by USATF. Too much of the onus is left upon the athlete to chase down signatures and insure that all the necessary timing cross-checks are in place. You'd think it would be automatic for something like the PA/USATF 5k Championships, but I don't think it works that way.
Here is an article on the Masterstrack.com website on why Pete Magill isn't willing to play that game anymore. You can read through the extensive commentary.
http://masterstrack.com/2011/09/19948/
And here is a discussion on how that played out on LRC regarding Mike Blackmore's 5000m track record (or not):
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=5173244&thread=4555814
I agree...seems like they are still living in a previous era.
Again, I agree. Which is why I had proposed that in combining meets (something that I think is necessary to defray the cost of putting on masters races), that they front-load the meet (maybe even as a preamble) with a few Masters events, and definitely not try running all masters events at every meet.
Muddy, in the end, it sounds like masters track is just not for you or your running teammates. And I get it; even back in High School, I much preferred XC to Track. In the US, the reality is that masters track is at a sub-critical mass (except maybe in niche locales), so it really isn't self-sustaining. Should it be revitalized? And if so, how? Participation has been slowly eroding for some time now, and as has been pointed out, each age grade at most meets has become simply a time-trial (especially in the distance events), which is why I haven't bothered going to the open meets available in our area. Having a bunch of time-trials where there is no real competition and everyone's a winner is really no fun for anyone. If it is to be revitalized, I think it needs to be reinvented. And that probably holds true for all of T&F in the US, where even the big meets (other than the Olympics, of course) that used to get prime coverage get short-shrift in the media.
Thanks for the link to Masterstrack.com as I can see it providing some info and inspiration that we 50 and over people can use.
I might note that I have kept state road racing records for over 20 years for Missouri, and I HATE paperwork. I accept records based on a) the RD states the course was run as certified and b) the results are either chip timed or I am told how the timing was done, and so done correctly. If there's any new records and I don't know the name, I just ask. I keep it simple and hopefully, filled with common sense.
I cannot imagine having to wade through the crap that must be expected presently to set a national record. You can find the MO state records at
and
In 20 years, I have not earned a dime from this. Maybe that is the biggest part of the problem with USATF's records fiasco.
Mike F wrote:Instead, I have been relinquished (nearly 4 weeks now) to mere jogging as I am awaiting prostate surgery.
In my weekly post was remiss in not wishing you all the best on your medical procedure. Here's to a speedy recovery, so that you can get back to chasing those standards!
@DrT, thanks for posting Moneghetti's race time. To us second-tier runners, that is an amazing time, but I suspect that Moneghetti has higher expectations than what he ran there. I realize this wasn't a track race, but last fall, the talk was whether he might be the first 50+ guy to break 30:00 for 10000m.
@Cavorty, not sure the 50-54 was *that* deep, it was surprisingly as good as (if not better than) the 40-49 entries. I agree that the 55-59 was the better field. Next time you're in the Bluegrass, shoot me an email and we can go for a run!
@Gretehund, sounds like you've gotten a great start to your fall marathon training. I'd love to hear what you learn from your sport nutrition class.
@Rtype, I'm with Charlie. Hope you can find that right mix that brings you satisfaction. It seems your track club has embraced a model something like what I was thinking was viable. But, as you say, having enough population to make it go is essential.
As usual, lot's of good stuff! Keep it coming!
Cheers!
L2B, the impressive part of Mona's performance is not perhaps what's recorded in the results sheet, but that he had achilles surgery at the start of 2013 and hasn't been back to running for all that long....
DrT wrote:...he had achilles surgery at the start of 2013....In that case, I stand corrected. That's *very* encouraging news! Thanks, DrT.
Ok, doe's it get any worse than this? Call me a wimp but my speed work today is going to be on my treadmill, where it's a cool 72 degree's, the fans are blowing and the music is cranked!
Wind Chill: 88° Ceiling: 3500
Heat Index: 98° Visibility: 10mi
Dew Point: 75° Wind: 14mph
Humidity: 66% Direction: 240° (WSW)
Pressure: 29.97" Gusts: 21mph
I'm not liking this Summer so far...
Dave
racerdb wrote:
I'm not liking this Summer so far...
I'm kind of getting used to it. Weren't we just in the winter that wouldn't let go? My perception of what constitutes "actual rain" has definitely shifted. Similar weather here high 88 deg F, 96% humidity. I ran 1 hr 40 mins outside but it wasn't speedwork. When I made the turnaround and had the wind at my back it got hot in a hurry. :)
Heat index here in KC of 104, temp of 101. Supposed to break tomorrow, just in time for the Masters!
Alan Bennet wrote:
Weren't we just in the winter that wouldn't let go?
Yea you're right...Guess I'm turning into an old codger that really doesn't care for the hot, or the cold!
Turns out it worked out well. My training partner struggled badly with his run outside; I ran my best workout of the year, inside.
Dave
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Week 110
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Salutations 50+ers! Dave’s grousing must have been heard by the running Gods, as the weather broke mid-week and it has been an outstanding last few days for running around here. (I think the same was true in Olathe, yes?) We’ll return to ‘90’s and humid starting today, but it was certainly a nice mid-July respite. I purposely kept it easy through Wednesday, wanting to do no speed work for a full week following the 10K on the fourth. In my mind, I was thinking that exuberance following a surprisingly good performance (good for me, at any rate) has led me down the path to self-destruction (that “strike while the iron’s hot” mentality), and that a more rational approach may be better in the long run---we’ll see. So the 41 miles I logged looked like this:
Sun: 7.6 easy
Mon: 0 too busy
Tue: 5 easy
Wed: 4.3 mostly easy
Thur: 7 w/2@11:57 (6:13,5:44) + 4x9 stories of stairs + post-run
Fri: 7.5 easy (w/4 on grass) + post-run + upper
Sat: 9.7 w/4 accel (6:58,6:20,6:04,5:58) and 1 follow-up (5:49)
I laid off the ancillary work through Wednesday, too; really just tried to take it easy for a full week. I then eased back into speed work with a short 2-mile accel on Thursday, and added some stairs afterward. I was going to do six climbs, but they drained me badly by the fourth climb. I took it easy on Friday including some trail running, and then had planned a 5-mile acceleration/tempo run for Saturday. Unfortunately, I accelerated a little too fast (I should have gone 6:30 & 6:15 for miles 2 & 3,) so by the time I got through 4, my legs were pretty-well fried. I had timed it so that I would finish my tempo portion about the time my friends, who were out for their usual Saturday morning LSD run, would also be pulling in to the arboretum parking lot. I chatted with them for a bit, and then finished up my run. After running easy for the next mile, I couldn’t help but get in that one last hard mile; the 5:49 felt much harder than the 5:44 from two days prior. I didn’t do specific ancillary work Saturday, but I figured the three hours of yard work counted for something, yes?
KP laid down 2:10 (800m) for 2nd and 4:36 (1500m) for 6th in the 50-54 division at the Masters Championships. Dave, your ex-teammate had quite the prodigious meet, going 3,1,3 in the 5000,10000,1500! I can't imagine running three races in three days...especially including 5K and 10K. I would love to hear reports from anyone that ran in or witnessed the meet. Kudos to all that made it to Olathe this past weekend+!
That’s all I got for now. Still debating whether I’ll race a 5K next weekend or not.
Hope that all is well in your neck of the woods? Any races to report?
Olathe was great for one tried and true reason... New and renewed camaraderie that lasts forever.
I speak for the runners from 100 to 10,000 meters. No matter the event nor age, every single athlete shares a common bond born from weeks, months, years, often decades committed to competing in the most honest footraces of all. No excuses for weather, short or long courses, hills or flat, money or not. We don't even need splits or watches. For we race one another around the oval, or down the straight. We get super nerved up to race each other for a medal. We fear failure. Most of us have to fly or drive back home without something to show for all the sacrifices even our most loved family members cannot understand. And it's awesome!
On a rare occasion (2 times Nats held in Eugene) we race (really well) in front of an audience. Not so in the past several Nats in which I've had the fortune to take part in. Even our fellow participants have dwindled so they aren't even in the stands. It's too bad but should not stop us from toeing the line.
I enjoyed visiting with Mike L who came to watch a super tactical M50 800 where no one took it out in the hot wind until the top of the turn where Mark Wyckoff blasted home for gold. BTW he ran low 55 in the 400 final next day. Lickidy Split and obviously why I couldn't catch him. Big shout out to all ye front runners as the 1500 medals were won in a much more honest race with the 5000 guys taking the 3 medals and the 800 medalists battling each other for 4th, 5th & 6th. Damn! Us kickers will get payback.
May all of you M50 Masters folks stay healthy, toe any racing line on a road, track or field, or just run forever.
See y'all out there,
KP
Yea, the weather really turned for the better after my whining...It was nice while it lasted. Supposed to get slammed again with heat and humidity all week starting today...
I had a nice 56 mile week. No pains, no issues and had a decent race.
Mon: 9.3 @ 7:14/mi
Tue: 7.5 @ 6:43/mi with 400-800-1200-800-400 ladder, all under 5:20/mi pace (treadmill)
Wed: 8.1 easy
Thu: 7.0 @ 7:29/mi
Fri: 4.0 easy
Sat: 5K race 16:32; 5:18.8,5:14.8 (10:33),5:26.4(16:00),32.4 (.11) AG 91.52% 1st Masters, 29th overall
Sun: 10.0 @ 7:36/mi
Just a note about the race...I blew it! I think I could have been closer to 16:20. About halfway thru the 2nd mile I was rolling at 5:06 pace...I really backed off (wussed out) to set up for a decent last mile but never got back to pace after 2 miles. In hindsight, I probably should have just kept hammering away as long as could...
Next up a 5k Road/Trail on the 27th. Usually do the 10K but we're running in the Father/Daughter team competition...You up for a road trip to SW MI, L2b?
Have good week everyone,
Dave
Very well said, KP. Thanks for that inspiring pearl, and for the race recaps, too.
Dave, I'd love to come north; I really need to see my brother some time outside Three Rivers, MI. But with all the turmoil that has gone on this past spring, and given that end-of-July is the worst time for me to travel with these intense shortened summer classes, I'll have to pass. When I finally do get up to see my brother, I'll give you a holler.
Cheers!
Nice to read about some honest efforts in the sport, well done Masters & Youth!
Great weather last week here - low to mid 80's & dry with a slight breeze.
I ran three times this week (I was having a hard time getting my HR up just walking), one was our neighborhood 5K course in ~ 24:00. My HR climbs the last mile even though the effort doesn't increase accordingly, I figure it's just a lack of endurance (LOL 3 miles!) which should get better as my hemoglobin goes higher (12.4 last test).
My brother is back in town to donate some more of his stem cells, mine have been coming back (now at about 50%) which we don't want, we want my blood to be 98+ % him. This is not uncommon with transplant, there is a lot of 'tweaking' and art in the long process. There will be three more re-infusions a few months apart, and they will freeze the blood requirements for those with his donation this week. This time it will all be outpatient.
I asked one of the oncologists if I was exercising too much and needed to stop or slow down, he just laughed and said he knew I was going to ask that, but he said to keep doing the same things.
Have a good week all, and nice efforts and stories from those that competed in Olathe!
Good to see familiar names doing well at Nationals.
Another week of the same of trail or treadmill running which is fine, I enjoy them. On a mini streak of 13 days with 14 runs (I doubled today)and should be able to keep it going for a bit more. When I feel the need to take a day, I will. For now, my rest day is an easy 2 mile run.
Weight wise I continue to drop the pounds, weighed in yesterday at 173 compared to 190 in January and 193 in November, so am quite pleased. Goal is mid 160's so not too far off. Primarily due to the consistent running, but also diet. We've always eaten a balanced diet but my consumption is now down since moving to the Phoenix area. With the heat I am not eating as much and drinking a lot more water.
Have a great week!
Nice 10K the other week lucKY, and fast 5K racerdb! Congrats to those who ran masters nationals.
59 miles on six days this week. Kind of a recovery effort, but did a tough bounding workout on Tuesday, with 6X 2 min at pretty much 3K effort. Plus 4 more but walking fast uphill. It's a skier thing. Nice 2 hr run with my son yesterday, and some of his friends. To the next generation!
Planning on a long trail race next weekend.
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