Mick Byrne's Training at Wisconsin

micks not as big of a fan of those badger miles from what ive gathered.

but yes, they do mileage and they do workouts contrary to popular beleif

do u know what kind of workouts they run? are they higher mileage?

There have been threads about Iona training. Those are pretty much about Byrne. I don't know what, if anything, he's doing differently at Wisconsin, but what he did at Iona is pretty interesting.

A high mileage program. And from what I've heard Byrne is fond of 3200 meter repeats.

I think its great to see Byrne have success at Wisconsin with mostly American high school recruits as compared to his irish/kenyan rosters at Iona. Just shows people that a good coach is a good coach, and its more complicated than just "buying" a team like a lot of people callously state, and rip on other schools for having foreign athletes.

he had athletes running great times this indoor season... he has guys running fast from 800-10k outdoor. ahmed placed 4th oudoors last year at NCAAs in the 10k. they had two 800 guys at 147 indoors and two guys under 754 in the 3k including darling at 1336 in the 5k at nationals

i heard they do high mileage and fast repeats...no specific workouts just hard running...seems to be working

California Blows wrote:

micks not as big of a fan of those badger miles from what ive gathered.

but yes, they do mileage and they do workouts contrary to popular beleif

Badger miles are just a way to record mileage and have no training philosphy. They just record all their miles at 7 minute pace, even if they are running 6 minute pace, 5:30 pace, 7:30 pace. So a 70 minute run is counted as 10 miles, even though they may have done 11. So whether Mick likes Badger miles or not has nothing to do really with how he is training his guys.

I have found it strange that the he hasn't attempted to get a DMR to NCAAs since he has been there, despite having all the pieces to make a good one...Miller, Mellon, Beth, Bolas, Shields, Finnerty, Connor, Hatz, ect. It is nice that they can focus on their individual events at the meet, but I have always found it strange that he doesnt put one together just to see what they could do.

reality czech wrote:

I have found it strange that the he hasn't attempted to get a DMR to NCAAs since he has been there, despite having all the pieces to make a good one...Miller, Mellon, Beth, Bolas, Shields, Finnerty, Connor, Hatz, ect. It is nice that they can focus on their individual events at the meet, but I have always found it strange that he doesnt put one together just to see what they could do.

They sent the school record in the indoor dmr two years with a 9:30, but it didnt do well at NCAAs. And then they set the outdoor school record with a 9:32 last year at Drake Relays

I just looked at their schedule. They appear to be skipping both the Stanford meets. Where are the 5k & 10k guys going pick up their auto qualifiers?

Wisco Fan wrote:

I just looked at their schedule. They appear to be skipping both the Stanford meets. Where are the 5k & 10k guys going pick up their auto qualifiers?

There are no autos, it's only qualifying for Regionals. They're probably looking to do that this year at Mt. Sac in the 5K and below, and maybe the 10K, too. Last year they qualified the 10K guys at the Big Ten's. That may have been because of Ahmed's late start due to the World CC's.

The MtSAC Relays have some pretty decent races. Since the Regional Q times (descending list) should not be that difficult of a standard for the likes of Ahmed and Darling etc., they do not really need to go to a PR carnival. The other meets on the list probably are good enough to get the marks that they need and there is probably a last-chance meet that ca be used if the Big Ten races do not provide the marks that they need.

If they switch from Regionals to a Nationals-based-only-on-marks, this situation will have to change. I have come to like the Regionals setup, although I have a preference for another region (i.e., three vs two).

If they switch from Regionals to a Nationals-based-only-on-marks, this situation will have to change. I have come to like the Regionals setup, although I have a preference for another region (i.e., three vs two).[/quote]

This is a very good point. I think three regionals would be much better, and perhaps more fair.

bump. would like to know if anymore info is out there.

This years Badger program really lacked talent and was Mick's best coaching job (despite the streak being broken, they didnt have a single proven cross country guy on their roster due to some redshirting which left him without Ahmed, Krause, Darling, Connor).

Mick had to hone those skills of keeping everybody that may help healthy because though he had foreigners on full scholarships, he never had more than maybe 6 guys that could help at once.

Jerry notoriously undertrained and under raced teams with the samre thinking to keep them healthy.

I think most people would not believe the simple and easy workouts and controlled mileage Wisconsin does. I don't believe Mick is nearly as good a track coach as a dozen other coaches in the NCAA at least, but he is at the very top of a couple with cross country.

Maximus wrote:

Badger miles are just a way to record mileage and have no training philosphy. They just record all their miles at 7 minute pace, even if they are running 6 minute pace, 5:30 pace, 7:30 pace. So a 70 minute run is counted as 10 miles, even though they may have done 11. So whether Mick likes Badger miles or not has nothing to do really with how he is training his guys.

That sounds…useless in terms of training diary etc. Why do they do that?

querierus wrote:

Maximus wrote:

Badger miles are just a way to record mileage and have no training philosphy. They just record all their miles at 7 minute pace, even if they are running 6 minute pace, 5:30 pace, 7:30 pace. So a 70 minute run is counted as 10 miles, even though they may have done 11. So whether Mick likes Badger miles or not has nothing to do really with how he is training his guys.

That sounds…useless in terms of training diary etc. Why do they do that?

So sorry little recruits think it is "special" and "cool" and they can get kids to attend for cheaper.

I would think that you run Badger miles to promote running at 7 minute pace.

Yeah, that school record of "9:30" when about 10-15 teams ran unbelievably fast times. Two of the four (Evans/Ludwig) weren't even that fast so there's no way I believe those times were accurate.

Is Byrne as goos as schumacher?