Div I Milers: What time did you run as a high school Freshman?

That's a tough question. Some run 420 while others don't break five. So much can happen with puberty and maturing between 9th and 12th grade

It doesn't matter what he runs as a freshman, it depends on what he runs as a Junior and Senior (obviously). Just run him to his potential now, and if he is dedicated and puts in the work for 4 years, he'll at least be on the brink. It doesn't matter if he runs 4:20 but is too burnt out to ever go any faster.

the mile may not even end up being his event. you may get down the road and realize hes gonna be a 5,000 meter man or the opposite direction down to the 800.

staten wrote:

That's a tough question. Some run 420 while others don't break five. So much can happen with puberty and maturing between 9th and 12th grade

I second this statement. You don't seem to be trolling, but this is a ridiculous qeustion. Being a Division 1 Miler itself is a broad category. German Fernandez is a D1 miler running 3:55 and we had freshmen on my d1 team around 4:20. The fact you were compelled to consult the board, I'm assuming you mean scholarship. Well, the competitive schools want you running fast-4;10/9:00, but you may get a good deal at a less competetive school with times ranging from 415-420. Bear in mind, that being a decent runner can help you get into colleges even if scholarships are out of the question. Having that coaches name connected with your application is huge. Anything from 42-425 and you could be considered a recruited walk on at some decent schools.Freshmen sub 4:50 isn't bad, sub 4:40 is very good, sub 4:30 is very very good and sub 4:20 is phenomenal. I'd say if your son wants to start on the scholarship path right away he should be sub 4:40. If he lacks expereince considerable he should adjust his goals, but if he is very experienced maybe he should aim higher.

Okay, okay I know my question is tough to answer because no one knows how any particular runner will fare. That is why I am asking any real Div. 1 milers out there to tell me what they ran as a high school freshman. It would give me and him a realistic range to try for. Can a 6:00 mile Freshman make it to 4:15 as a Junior/senior, for example? Just throw some experience at me. Please.

Campophenique wrote:

I want my son to make it to a Div. I college, and so does he.

I like how you put your desire first. Just sayin'

Ya, your right I sound like a domineering basterd of a father. He does like to run, but he doesn't know enough yet to ask the right questions. I'm just trying to help him.

Campophenique wrote:

Okay, okay I know my question is tough to answer because no one knows how any particular runner will fare. That is why I am asking any real Div. 1 milers out there to tell me what they ran as a high school freshman. It would give me and him a realistic range to try for. Can a 6:00 mile Freshman make it to 4:15 as a Junior/senior, for example? Just throw some experience at me. Please.

what are your sons personal bests for all distances 100m and up? what kind of training has he been doing? how long has he been training? what has his time progression been for all events? what other physical abilities does he have besides running?

I'll answer. 4:56 in 8th grade, 4:39 in 9th grade.

ran 4:30 as a fresh, however my PR in high school ended up being 4:26 after numerous injuries. don't press him too hard yet. he has plenty of time to get better regardless of what he can run now.

7th: 5:15

8th: 5:02

9th: 4:44

10th: 4:24

11th: 4:19

12th: 4:17

Fr: 4:10

So: 4:07

Jr: 4:01

Sr: 3:59

I suppose I'll chime in with some times just for you to gauge. Note I didnt run track my freshmen year:

Soph: 4:55

Junior: 4:34

Senior: 4:31

College:

Frosh: 4:24

Soph: 4:17

Junior: 4:10

Senior: TBA !!!

I dont know anything about you nor your son, however, I can say this.. don't burn him out with all the miles and coach's over-racing him. Progress, at a safe and healthy pace in terms of mileage(35 to 45, to 55, to 65 by the end of senior year) and your son will have plenty left for college, which is what every college coach wants and will ultimately give your son the best chance to reach is potential! You want your son to be "moldable" by the time he reaches college, not burnt out. Good luck!

Anbessa

9: 5:22

10: 5:08

11: 4:40

12: 4:22

the times of a few people i know that went on to get some sort of scholarship at a DI school (most people don't get full rides unless they're a 4:08ish or better as a Sr. It's more like 1-2k a semester for most.)

runner # 1- 4:41 in 9th grade, 4:24 in 12th. Didn't get any money his freshmen year, but ran a 3:56 1500 that track season which compelled the coach to fork up 1k a semester.)

runner # 2- 4:49 in 9th grade, 4:18 in 12th. He got 3k a semester at a really, really uncompetitive DI school. He was the best on their roster as a freshmen.

runner # 3- 4:36 in 9th grade, 4:14/9:07 in 12th. Got absolutely nothing but went to a very big school with a really solid program.

me- 4:37 in 9th grade, 4:18 in 12th. I got full tuition to a small DII school, which is a good route to go if you want a scholarship but aren't quite a national-class 4:00-4:10 type HSer. I got kicked off the team, however when it was revealed to my coach that I had a pack-a-day habit. Not cool, cause I PR'd at 3:57 (1500) that year and was the best on the team.

While a freshmen PR isn't a limiting factor, it'd probably be safe to say that if your son can't run under 4:30 as a freshmen, sub 4:10 won't happen as a Sr and that's about what it takes to get $$ from bigger DI schools. If he can run a 4:40-4:50 mile this year (i assume?) and you train him carefully, sub 4:20 is very possible if he has any talent at all. If he's a 4:30low type, you might be able to get him down to 4:10-:15 and really be lookin at a break from some smaller DI schools.

from what I've heard Scott Bauhs couldn't run sub 5 as a freshman and finished up around 4 15 as a senior, and is now running pro. Pretty sure freshman year means very little. Most times before puberty don't mean too much

I agree with most on here that at that age its not a big deal, but here are my times.

9th 4:50

10th 4:34

11th 4:24

12th 4:18

Freshman - Hurt

RS Freshman 3:47

Just train him smart and keep him healthy. The times will be what they are and by his Junior year, you should be able to see if he's capable of being a D1 athlete.

8th grade-5:16

9th grade-4:47

10th grade- 4:21

11th grade- 4:17

12th grade- 4:14

College-4:02

As many people have said, 9th grade is way too early to have any idea how good someone is going to be. So much depends on maturity level, training background, coaching, etc. Yes more often than not a 6 minute freshman miler is not going to be a DI level runner and a sub 4:40 freshman miler will have a decent chance, but way too early to really know.

What often happens is coaches or parents will push a kid at a young age so that he is the best in middle school, thinking this will mean he will be the best in high school. Rarely does it ever work out that way.

dear op:

we do not run the mile in Division 1.

or any collegiate division for that matter.

we run the 1500.

nice try.

1/10.