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| splain it to me |
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If you are a 28:20 to 29:00 min guy, why would you spend $700-$1000 to go and run at Stanford, when a 29:00 earns you $3000 at the US Road Championships in Richmond the same weekend. Stanford you pay your entry----Richmond will comp it for you Stanford you pay for your flight----Richmond will foot the bill. Stanford you pay for your own room and meals----Richmond will comp it for you. A 28:30 will not even get you into the Olympic Trials. 28:15 will only give you the privelage of getting your butt kicked at the trials. It seems like about a difference of nearly 5 grand for no real advantage. |
| Southern Man |
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Are you suggesting the road and track times are equal? Because you are comparing apples and oranges. Also, qualifying for the trials may be worth some money in sponsorship. Plus, every 28:30 guy thinks he could be a 28:00 on the right day. |
| splain it to me |
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No I am suggesting that there was about a 30 second difference. and 5th was 29:15 for 2 grand and free airflight and housing and meals. and 28:30 guys that think they can run 28 flat need to realize that 28:00 is still 10 seconds short of the A standard for the Olympics. |
| Ticktock |
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Maybe they're trying to be the best they can and don't care about a measly 3 grand? |
| shizzy |
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a road race in an Olympic year isn't going to get you a much needed standard. Also a lot of the guys who ran the Stanford race are based out in the west coast so it doesn't cost them as much to fly there. |
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It's about living the dream. If you're doing this sport to make money, then you're out of your goddamn mind. People keep training after college to see how good they can get, not to make $3,000 at a road race. |
| splain it to me |
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The "much needed standard" is 27:50 (Olympic A). Was there any post collegiates that were close? I will be willing to bet that not one of the post collegiates in that race will achieve the Olympic A standard this year. |
| splain it to me |
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Here are the post collegian's that were in the finals. How many currrently train on the west coast? 4 Dobson, Ian adidas 28:16.47 7 Haas, Stephen NA New Balance 28:21.42 8 Simpson, Josh NA NYAC 28:22.25 9 Keating, Westly NA Unattached 28:23.09 14 Gotcher, Brett NA McMillan Elite 28:39.25 15 Braden, Forest NA Brooks Team IN 28:50.01 17 Rodriguez, Celedonio NA Unattached 28:53.09 20 Powers, Jeff NA Brooks Team IN 29:05.86 21 Morgan, Thomas NA ZAP Fitness 29:13.32 23 Sheeks, Matt NA Unattached 29:44.14 24 Hanlon, Mike NA McMillan Elite 29:46.95 |
| shizzy |
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Haas and all the brooks team just got done training in Flagstaff so they were in the West Coast and the McMillan team is in Arizona. Dobson is training either in Eugene or California I forget which, but it's one of the two. Also Celedonio Rodriquez is a west coast guy. So of those guys that is, 7 of 11. |
| Here is the deal |
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The first Stanford Meet is for the College guys and the fringe guys. There are no pro runners in that field that have any chance of "living the dream". Peyton Jordan Meet next month is for the pro runners. You will have several guys running sub 28 minutes in that meet. I have no idea why more 28:15 guys and slower were not at the 10k road championships. As far as conversion goes Josh Moen finished 4th in 29:00. I don't think he has run any faster on the track. There are several guys that ran at Stanford that beat Josh Moen pretty badly at cross last month. |
| i like this thinking |
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The "much needed standard" is 27:50 (Olympic A). Was there any post collegiates that were close? I will be willing to bet that not one of the post collegiates in that race will achieve the Olympic A standard this year.[/quote] Dobson. |
| DI |
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My Coach and I and I were talking about why he loved stanford so much last weekend. He has a past of letting his best couple runners go to Stanford every year. Here is why. If your a post-collegiate looking to qualify for the olympics, you are GUARENTEED PERFECT running weather at Stanford this time of year. 60-70 degrees, slight breeze at most. He told me he likes it because it is the ideal atmoshpere to regionally qualify. NCAA Frosh |
| citius5000 |
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well 4th to 17th all have the B standard for nationals. USA Nationals 10k A Standard is 28:15 and B 29:00. Also it is April so chill. |
| I agree with the OP |
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I agree with the OP. You only came up with one name that has a remote chance of hitting the A standard. |
| Mrr82 |
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Exactly. The point of this race for many is to qualify for the trials. You can only run so many quality 10k's before it comes around (and there are only so many available). They can now run it again in a month at Stanford and go for broke and not worry about having to qualify for nationals because it's already under their belt. |
| americansub |
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The big question is, were was Hesch! He would of rocked |
| citius5000 |
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Agreed. |
| I agree with the OP |
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Exactly. The point of this race for many is to qualify for the trials. You can only run so many quality 10k's before it comes around (and there are only so many available). They can now run it again in a month at Stanford and go for broke and not worry about having to qualify for nationals because it's already under their belt.[/quote] What is under their belt? The B standard? USATF is only taking the top 24 times. It will take sub 28:20 to get into the trials. |
| is it that hard? |
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It's called trying to improve your PR and Stanford is the best place to do it. |
| Huge Quiqley fan |
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So the time is what is important? What about development? Is a 10k on the roads against 3 Olympians (Abdi, Browne, Culpepper) not developing? It seeems like the only thing lacking in this road championship would be a pb. |
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