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Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 2:46PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Original article in spanish:
http://www.elpais.es/articulo/deportes/transfusiones/dolares/Tyler/Hamilton/elppordep/20060626elpepidep_6/Tes/

Translated version from cyclingnews.com:


El Pais turned its attention away from Spanish cyclists in its first big article on Monday, "The transfusions and the dollars of Tyler Hamilton". In September 2004, Hamilton tested positive for a homologous blood transfusion after winning the time trial at the Vuelta a España. He also returned a positive A sample for a homologous transfusion after winning the Olympic games time trial a month previously in August. His B sample was inadvertently frozen, and no result could be determined from it. Although he is still in possession of his Olympic gold medal, he was stripped of his Vuelta stage win and suspended until September 22, 2006, despite appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

According to El Pais, the documents seized by the Spanish civil guard during Operacion Puerto show that Hamilton was not as innocent as he claimed. It's alleged that he not only received blood transfusions, but also a full doping program involving EPO, anabolics, growth hormone and IGF-1.

The paper claims that among the files of Dr Eufemiano Fuentes and Jose Merino Batres, are some details of Hamilton's financial dealings in 2002 and 2003, including a copy of a fax sent to his wife Haven to a hotel in Gerona, where he lived. On the fax, it's shown that he had paid €31,200 with €11,840 still owing: €35,000 was for the medical program, and €8,040 was for the medication.

The doctors' files allegedly consisted of two pages. In the first, a calendar of the racing season is laid out from November to October, with the races that the rider wanted to do well in being marked along with the medication that he should take. The markings were in the so-called "Sanskrit of Eufemiano", a notation system of substances, doses, and procedures. Before the 2003 season, Dr Fuentes indicated that Hamilton should start taking EPO from December 21, with 2000 units daily, up until Christmas Eve, and then on alternate days until January 9. On the 14th of January, before his first training camp with CSC, he was instructed to withdraw blood. On January 24, he was to start with anabolics. In March, after racing had started, he was to take HMG - a hormone used by menopausal women - to mask the anabolics, as well as taking growth hormone and insulin.

The second page of the file allegedly showed that he won Liège-Bastogne-Liège six days after a double transfusion of blood, won the Tour de Romandie shortly afterwards, and prepared for the Tour by not racing in May and taking anabolics and EPO. He then raced only the Dauphiné Libéré in June - completely anonymously, and didn't even start the final stage. At the time, he claimed to be suffering from stomach problems all week, but El Pais alleged that according to Dr Fuentes files, it was during another period of blood extraction. In the final lead up to the Tour, he was to take more growth hormone and re-infuse the blood, as well as doing so on the first rest day of the race.
you are a.....
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 2:59PM - in reply to cyclingtruth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
wow. I've given Lance some benefit of the doubt, but THIS.....if it is true, and not hearsay (not just allegations, but hard evidence from the Doctors own records), this is truly big and damning. Hopefully (but doubtfully), it will be so solid that will convince Tyle to admit to everything, and others too.

Will the whoooole truth come out finally?
JonDCH
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 3:12PM - in reply to you are a..... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Then general strategy in these situations, for legal and/or public relations purposes, is to deny for as long as possible. I can't imagine that strategy will change even if these latest allegations have merit.
TGeldean
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 4:07PM - in reply to JonDCH Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I agree. And what's interesting is that the accused athlete/legal/PR people deny and deny, and meanwhile the clock is ticking until the end of their suspension. So it ends up looking like they were only suspended/guilty for a short period of time before they can start racing again. I mean, Tyler Hamilton's last appeal ended not that long ago, and I believe he's eligible to race this fall. So he only has to live for a short time as a guilty man - for the first year and several months he was still innocent until proven guilty, and fighting the good fight.

The other aspect is that IF this is all true, it should point out that "good guys" can still take performance enhancing drugs. I briefly met Tyler Hamilton, and he seemed like a nice enough guy. Everything I've ever heard about him (other than the, uh, suspension as a drug cheat) is that he's a great guy, one of the nicest guys in the sport. People have a hard time reconciling this concept, and see the "drug cheat" and "good guy" as mutually exclusive personalities. They're not.
poor floyd ireson
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 6:35PM - in reply to TGeldean Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
does hamilton still live/living in marblehead mass? the women of marlbehead should tar n feather him carried in a cart.
TGeldean
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 6:42PM - in reply to poor floyd ireson Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He's still in/around Boulder as far as I know.
a o t p
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 6:53PM - in reply to TGeldean Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i saw his vanishing twin last nite walking out of a gay club. im gay too.
Boulderunner
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 6:57PM - in reply to TGeldean Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

TGeldean wrote:

The other aspect is that IF this is all true, it should point out that "good guys" can still take performance enhancing drugs. I briefly met Tyler Hamilton, and he seemed like a nice enough guy. Everything I've ever heard about him (other than the, uh, suspension as a drug cheat) is that he's a great guy, one of the nicest guys in the sport. People have a hard time reconciling this concept, and see the "drug cheat" and "good guy" as mutually exclusive personalities. They're not.



As much as cheating disgusts me, I totally agree with your statement. Ive not met Tyler personally but everyone in Boulder that I know, who have met him, had the same reaction as you. My cycling friends tell me that in Europe its not the "moral issue" that it is in America. Apparently a lot of people view it as part of the sport. This has not been the impression Ive had from European newspapers, but from the friends of mine who have raced in Europe, thats what Ive heard. I think in the culture that they race in (Europe) its marginally accepted and therefore, there isnt a line between "Moral people" and "Unmoral people" when it comes to who is doping and who isn't. It seems to be in direct contrast with American track and field, where it almost seems like you would have to be lacking a conscience to cheat because of the moral standard that is placed on purity in sports. Just my two cents.

On a side note, Tim, any FF guys doing the BRR meet 3k on the 6th???
Tommy2Nuts
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 7:07PM - in reply to TGeldean Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You're kidding, right? Because you think hes a "good guy" he should be forgiven for cheating?

Every drug cheat takes away the pureness of a sport, until at the end no one believes anything any more. This is much the case in cycling..its now a GIVEN that pretty much all bikers at that level take something to make it thru the season. Europeans dont care, much just like Americans dont care that thier baseball heroes are all druggies. It means they are resigned to the fact and have given up on cleaning it up. Sadly however, any kind of exploit in these sports now means nothing.

OK now that you've read all this about Hamilton, I want to ask the Lance cheerleaders..do you STILL think he's clean?

Get a clue.
jsquire
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 7:07PM - in reply to Boulderunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If that were true why do countries like Italy have such tough anti-doping laws? Here they never go after the athlete, just the supplier. Over there it sounds like they will be just as rough on the athlete. Or am I reading this wrong? I'm not trying to bust your chops here, just trying to get some insight.
Johnny Rotten
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 7:26PM - in reply to jsquire Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This is TH's response, carried on www.dailypeloton.com:

By Staff
Date: 6/26/2006
Tyler Hamilton

From Tyler Hamilton
Boulder, Colorado June 26, 2006
I was very upset to read the accusations against me and to see my name associated with the "Operacion Puerto" investigation in Spain. I have not been treated by Dr. Fuentes. I have not done what the article alleges. In addition, I have never been contacted by authorities in Spain regarding these allegations. Therefore, it is impossible to comment on a situation I have no knowledge of.
TGeldean
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 7:54PM - in reply to Tommy2Nuts Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Did you actually read my post? Explain to me where I say Tyler Hamilton should be forgiven? Quite the opposite. He's a drug cheat. I felt he was guilty from the start, and I've been frustrated by the outpouring of support for him - especially in the Boulder area. I think it's deplorable that a large amount of people give athletes the benefit of the doubt not only when they test positive, but even after they're found to be guilty and punished. So these people think all athletes are "clean" unless proven otherwise, and then when the facts are shoved in their face, they refuse to trust them. If one doesn't believe the convicted drug cheats used drugs, then how can one believe anyone is using them?

My point about Hamilton is that he seems to genuinely be a good guy, albeit one that uses/used performance enhancing drugs. So don't be fooled by the "good guy" image. I've met a number of genuinely nice elite runners over the years, and yet I would be a fool to not think that some of them could be users.

As for the people who refuse to believe that Lance Armstrong used drugs, they simply have their heads in the sand and are overwhelmed by the positive stories associated with Lance Armstrong. "What is he on - he's on his bikes for 6 hours a day!" "There's no way he would have taken drugs after going through what he did with cancer!" "He does so much for cancer research - how dare you say he used drugs!" Again, these things are not mutually exclusive from possible drug use. People need to take their heads out of the sand and use rational thought to look at these situations objectively.
LouSiffer
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 9:00PM - in reply to TGeldean Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
on the same day that good ole Rush is caught with drugs again!
Here's a great question ...
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 9:14PM - in reply to TGeldean Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Isn't it amazing that Lance Armstrong was clean and he was able to beat hordes of those filthy drug cheats?!
Boulderunner
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 9:51PM - in reply to jsquire Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

jsquire wrote:

If that were true why do countries like Italy have such tough anti-doping laws? Here they never go after the athlete, just the supplier. Over there it sounds like they will be just as rough on the athlete. Or am I reading this wrong? I'm not trying to bust your chops here, just trying to get some insight.


I dont neccessarily think that the general attitude of the public toward the morality of doping is directly connected to the governing bodies regulation of it. To use a non-running example, I dont think many people in America think of underage drinking as a moral issue, yet its heavily cracked down on (as much as the cops are capable of.) There they arent really connected much at all.

My point is that we (americans) look at Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, Marion Jones and Tyler Hamilton and we think they dont know right from wrong and that they are evil people and along the same lines we look at Lance and think because he does good things for cancer patients that he therefore does know right from wrong and thus would never cheat. From what I have heard the attitude in Europe is quite the contrary. Its not about right and wrong, but about levelling the playing field and thats it.
A_Goofy_Runner
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 10:13PM - in reply to Boulderunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm not directing this post at anyone in particular... but The thing is you can make a very compelling argument that morally doping isn't wrong. Who do you harm by doping? The only damage you are doing is to yourself and it you do it relatively safely through trained doctors you even minimize that risk. Obviously you indirectly harm your competitors, but not if everyone else does it. If I'm Hamilton and I know everybody on my team dopes, and I know at least 80% of the rest of the teams are doping, and probably more like 95-100% then what's stopping me? If nobody gets hurt by it but you and nearly everyone else is doing it, and you have no chance of being successful without using... well, how badly do you want to win? What are you willing to do? If you knew running 100 miles a week could possible take 10 years off your life but you also knew it would make you 5% faster then how many of you would still do it? Whatever it takes, right? Of course doping is illegal while running 100 mile weeks isn't so that example doesn't hold up too well.

How many of you have cheated on a test and justified it to yourselves? I'd bet my life more than half of you, and guess what it's basically the same thing. When you use sparknotes, look over on someone else's test, write answers on your hands, tell other people from the next section what will be on the test, etc - then you are gaining an edge on your "competitors." You're breaking the rules to gain an advantage just like dopers.

Obviously that doesn't mean we should just ignore doping and I think people like Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, Hamilton, etc should face severe consequences. But it is an interesting moral argument and maybe not as black and white as we would like it to be.
luv2run
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 10:30PM - in reply to LouSiffer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

LouSiffer wrote:

on the same day that good ole Rush is caught with drugs again!


Oh my God, Rush caught with Viagra! You are such a scum.

Why does Viagra even require a prescription?
darkness
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 10:34PM - in reply to A_Goofy_Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Anyone who has read about cycling any amount already knew that this went on. For those of you too dense to get it on your own it was all laid bare during the Festina Scandal in 1998. The riders were all questioned by judges and six of them all admitted doping (and the extent of it) and Richard Virenque pretended that he didn't take part. This was 8 years ago, so those of you who are surprised are either 15 years old or havn't been paying attention.

They don't go after distance runners with the same ferocity because there is so much less money in the sport and only the track circuit is in Europe. The worlds best dist. runners live outside of Europe (officially). But those of you who don't get it have to understand that the exact same things go on in all sports, including running.

The only thing that is different than 10 years ago is that there is more re-infusion blood doping going on (including homologous blood transfusions) because EPO is easier to catch now.

Why did Hamilton win L-B-L? Romandie? The Olympic Time Trial? Do you really think that he could beat riders that WERE DOPING? No, it's impossible.

It's the same in running. Several at or near National or World records have been busted for EPO. Do you think that they are the only ones using it?
luv2run
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 10:34PM - in reply to A_Goofy_Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I think there is an argument to be made for opening it up for using any drug. However, many of the drugs that are used can be life or health threatening so what is created is a system where in order to compete competitors have to take unhealthy drugs.

Also, if the sport has set rules to provide a level playing field then everyone who wants to race in that league has to abide by those rules.
hypocrisy rampant
RE: Tyler Hamilton's heavy doping program revealed 6/26/2006 10:46PM - in reply to A_Goofy_Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
In a sport such as running, where records play such an important role, you are cheating someone even if you are just doing the same drugs your contemporaries are using. You're cheating the athletes who came before you and set records without the benefit of the drugs you are using. You are also putting future competitors in the position where they will have to do drugs at least as powerful or be faced with the criticism that they arent't working hard enough or don't have the right attitude, otherwise they would be running as fast as so and so did.

Which is not to take away from the point that "nice people" cheat all the time.
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