If this virus is so darn deadly, where are the dead celebrities?

Thanks for a stroll down memory lane of the mainstream media narrative for this "Modern Plague". Still doesn't answer my original question, only parades out the media trope of "We found a teenage 'needle-in-a-haystack' possible covid fatality...SEE?! It's DEADLY!"

As someone upthread pointed out, there has been no Rock Hudson. No Liberace. And with many many people ignoring social distancing, the only semi-famous case of death from that large group was a preacher in the southeast. OK. If this was anything more deadly than the flu, entire states like Texas should be half-wiped out by now.

In my town, right in my immediate neighborhood, dozens of restaurants, barbershops and other small businesses are shuttered and obviously going under for this sham. While I know of no one who has gotten official covid, i know many who have lost their jobs or are losing their small businesses, the work of an entire lifetime. Meanwhile Jeff Bezos makes $24B in a month.

This is the stupidest government overreaction in U.S. history, since maybe the internment of Japanese-Americans in WWII.

When you can't get meat because plants in Iowa have shut down you'll realize it's not much ado about nothing.

You make his point with that fact. There will be a worldwide food shortage and millions more will die of starvation due to all of he countries shutting down production. Many more will die from starvation than what died from the virus. Had we kept humming along, a few more would have died fro the virus but millions of additional lives would have been saved from starvation. That is what happens when you are short sighted in decision making. Save 1 life today regardless of the cost means you will lose a hundred lives tomorrow.

coach wrote:

When you can't get meat because plants in Iowa have shut down you'll realize it's not much ado about nothing.

Yeah, sure, like the toilet paper shortage.

Not really a numbers guy are you? Only .2% of the deaths have been under the age of 19. So yes, the disease only kills old fat people. Those are the facts.

Smoking is bad for you. No it isn't because my Granny lived to 105 smoking everyday. Men are faster than women. No they aren't because my local road race was won by a woman.

Talent beats training wrote:

Only .2% of the deaths have been under the age of 19. So yes, the disease only kills old fat people.

"Only" means "without exception." That's what the word *means* in English. So listing an exception right before you say "only" seems like a poor strategy.

Why not stick to the facts? "COVID-19 deaths are overwhelmingly among older people and those with underlying adverse health conditions: obesity, asthma, diabetes, and so on." When you say "only" you actually undercut the argument for any policy proposal, because someone will come up with an exception; when you say "overwhelmingly" you acknowledge the rare exceptions, but more convincingly put forward any policy proposal. A better approach, I think.

Same place all of the dead politicians are. The elite can be tested and float in protected circles. The scum of the earth in the White House and their minions and sycophants get tested for fun.

Talent beats training wrote:

Not really a numbers guy are you? Only .2% of the deaths have been under the age of 19. So yes, the disease only kills old fat people. Those are the facts.

Smoking is bad for you. No it isn't because my Granny lived to 105 smoking everyday. Men are faster than women. No they aren't because my local road race was won by a woman.

You should look up the definition of "only".

Very well known comedian in the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52262490

Very well known footballer in UK

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/apr/17/norman-hunter-former-leeds-united-england-defender-dies-aged-76

Real Dealer wrote:

You make his point with that fact. There will be a worldwide food shortage and millions more will die of starvation due to all of he countries shutting down production. Many more will die from starvation than what died from the virus. Had we kept humming along, a few more would have died fro the virus but millions of additional lives would have been saved from starvation. That is what happens when you are short sighted in decision making. Save 1 life today regardless of the cost means you will lose a hundred lives tomorrow.

Iowa didnt quickly shut down like other states, they want to remain open but suffered. Now many workers dont want to go back to work at the meat packing plants.

Sham. Hoax. You and your ilk are pathetic. With the privilege of hindsight you can reference internment of citizens as an overreaction. In time we may see this as an overreaction but not without time. However, those are not the times we live in and certain pockets are already working to revise what just happened weeks ago. The White House shirks responsibility at any turn. Maybe it was an overreaction but what else were we to do when leaders at consequential levels of influence and power left us woefully unprepared? What choice was there? Only the cynical see this as anything other than trying to do the best for the populace. Only the cynical project their lack of empathy. The only level trying to have it every which way and trying to wash its hand of responsibility is the president, who wants credit and no blame.

Two guys we have never heard of

Real Dealer wrote:

You make his point with that fact. There will be a worldwide food shortage and millions more will die of starvation due to all of he countries shutting down production. Many more will die from starvation than what died from the virus. Had we kept humming along, a few more would have died fro the virus but millions of additional lives would have been saved from starvation. That is what happens when you are short sighted in decision making. Save 1 life today regardless of the cost means you will lose a hundred lives tomorrow.

The UN has projected that around 93 million people will starve because of the coronavirus shutdowns. But since those will will be largely non-white people in developing nations, that's not something we need to worry about. So let's keep it completely shut down until the virus is all gone, especially from the blue states, and then under President Biden's dynamic leadership we will spring forth to a brighter future with peace and prosperity for all.

I think you mostly nailed it. Mortality is in the 2-3% range of people who test positive, and even lower if we could add in the asymptomatic infected.

But... younger patients, even some without pre-existing conditions, have had some debilitating complications, especially related to blood clots and strokes. Local health officials and state/local govts should be able to tailor their policies to how bad it is in each region. 1/3 of the cases are in NYC. If NY state we’re a separate country our statistics would look so much better. Which is why Utah or Hawaii shouldn’t have the same response as NY.

bloviating wrote:

Sham. Hoax. You and your ilk are pathetic. With the privilege of hindsight you can reference internment of citizens as an overreaction. In time we may see this as an overreaction but not without time. However, those are not the times we live in and certain pockets are already working to revise what just happened weeks ago. The White House shirks responsibility at any turn. Maybe it was an overreaction but what else were we to do when leaders at consequential levels of influence and power left us woefully unprepared? What choice was there? Only the cynical see this as anything other than trying to do the best for the populace. Only the cynical project their lack of empathy. The only level trying to have it every which way and trying to wash its hand of responsibility is the president, who wants credit and no blame.

I use "sham" and "hoax" to characterize the current state of affairs. Even a month ago there was still uncertainty among experts as to the course of development, so the argument for prudent restrictions had validity. That time has passed. We are now in official overreaction "garbage time" as they say in basketball. The evidence now is almost unequivocal that this is no more virulent than a common flu, it has peaked out, and that the economy and social recovery must be the top priority. NOW.

I agree that Trump is trying to have it both ways but that is to be expected from a crass politician in an election year. At least he is transparent in his pandering, unlike the self-righteous Democrat governors who are emulating tinpot dictators in keeping their states on lockdown. Some of them should be run out on a rail and I hope the voters remember their BS come November.

No. You need to read where I used it in the sentence. Stating that it kills only old fat people would mean "without exception". But I used the third definition, "with the negative or unfortunate result that". My statement that it only kills old fat people has a different meaning. It is meant to be sarcastic in that old fat people should have know what they were getting into by living an unhealthy life.

Celebs can afford to social distance, meaning that they're less likely to be exposed compared to people living in crowded conditions or working around other people.

I get you YMMV but since I live in NYC I'm a bit more sensitive to the reality of this crafty little virus. I agree and have said that states where there isnt a problem should act differently than my area. Even my governor will open up parts of NY while the metropolitan area will remain closed. However I'm afraid some states are opening up too quickly.