Mike Smith Marathon Training

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Han Solo wrote:

Check back on this in a few days!

We’ve been hearing this for months. You have training on all these great runners but you refuse to post it. At this point I’m convinced that you’re a troll and don’t have any of the training logs that you claim to have.

It was a Daniels type approach.

NAurunbro? wrote:

Anyone have any insight on how Coach Mike Smith trained personally for the marathon? I’d assume a Daniels type approach but unsure. Listening to him on Mario Fraioli podcast and he ran with Rob Krar a lot with a ultra type approach.

All the Lydiard people will say it looks like....Lydiard

All the Canova people will say it looks like....Canova

All the Daniels people will say it looks like....Daniels

All the Tinman people will say it looks like....Tinman

Do you get the point?

Not Confirming My Bias wrote:

NAurunbro? wrote:

Anyone have any insight on how Coach Mike Smith trained personally for the marathon? I’d assume a Daniels type approach but unsure. Listening to him on Mario Fraioli podcast and he ran with Rob Krar a lot with a ultra type approach.

All the Lydiard people will say it looks like....Lydiard

All the Canova people will say it looks like....Canova

All the Daniels people will say it looks like....Daniels

All the Tinman people will say it looks like....Tinman

Do you get the point?

No.

Well, Mike Smith literally worked for Jack Daniels so I'd assume it looks like daniels.

Can confirm his coaching is Daniels/Canova for marathon. I follow a kid he coaches in the half-marathon/marathon on strava and he does double workouts, and high mileage. The periodization doesn’t seem to be follow Daniels as much though. Similar but different.

Random Schmo wrote:

Not Confirming My Bias wrote:

All the Lydiard people will say it looks like....Lydiard

All the Canova people will say it looks like....Canova

All the Daniels people will say it looks like....Daniels

All the Tinman people will say it looks like....Tinman

Do you get the point?

No.

They all have some similiarities (say. the 80-100mpw of easy running) but how they do the 20-30 hard miles tend to differ quite a bit.

Mike Smith seems to be more of a volume guy (say 6-8x1600 at 10k pace versus 3-4x1600 at 5k pace) than a lot of people but I have only seen splices of training. That seems to be the trend these days (see Canova's days with like 40k of MP running between 2 sessions).

Jgt11 wrote:

Well, Mike Smith literally worked for Jack Daniels so I'd assume it looks like daniels.

I highly doubt that. Daniels uses a lot of intervals, and not fartleks. Mike Smith specifically talked about Galen doing fartleks for the first time in his career. Also, Daniels is not used at the elite level. Nobody is going to follow a theory based off of someone who won some weak D3 women's titles in XC. The international level athletes use Canova or Lydiard. Hobby joggers and terrible D3 coaches use Daniels.

Mike only uses fartleks at the start of seasons to get into the swing of harder efforts, but once they are deep into training they rarely, if ever, do fartleks. Except say as a recovery workout a few days after longer, harder races.

Can you also tell me the difference between a "mileage run" and an "easy run" in his NAU training?

Thank you

mileage run wrote:

Can you also tell me the difference between a "mileage run" and an "easy run" in his NAU training?

Thank you

Nothing at all.

If Salazar had Rupp doing plenty of fartleks all along then Smith would have assigned far less of them. Attempting to respond and make adjustments by looking at the lifetime of work the athlete has put in is what a good coach does.

Han Solo wrote:

mileage run wrote:

Can you also tell me the difference between a "mileage run" and an "easy run" in his NAU training?

Thank you

Nothing at all.

Many thanks for the prompt reply!

Question wasn’t about his coaching. Han Solo published the NAU stuff a while back. Question is how did HE train when he qualified for trials

I guess you aren't aware of the elite runners Daniels coached - couple 2:09 male marathoners + Olympic Silver medal female marathoner and a DIII female who ran a best of 2:39 800 in high school then won Penn Relays 10k in 33:01 and beat the DI national record holder in that race.

Hog wrote:

I guess you aren't aware of the elite runners Daniels coached - couple 2:09 male marathoners + Olympic Silver medal female marathoner and a DIII female who ran a best of 2:39 800 in high school then won Penn Relays 10k in 33:01 and beat the DI national record holder in that race.

Most don't know what they don't know, and often don't want to know if it goes against what they think they know..Ya, know?