Any successful runner/lawyers?

Cathal Lombard

Irish international 27:30 while practicing then disgraced for EPO use !!!

Mr. Oakley wrote:

1600 wrote:

Mentioning Harvard never tells the whole story. Many really bright people don't get in because the space in limited, their parents aren't $$$$$ donors, and they didn't know anyone. Some don't belong there, but are. See the reasons above.

True for undergrad.

Harvard Law admissions are nowhere near as difficult as Harvard undergrad. That's why people questioned Obama's Columbia records and not his law school ones.

Exactly. For undergrads it's everything that I had listed. Some very bright people get passed over.

Harvard Law admissions are nowhere near as difficult as Harvard undergrad.

Exactly. For undergrads it's everything that I had listed. Some very bright people get passed over.

I'm not sure what we mean by "difficult." The law school has a much higher standard in terms of a history of past performance. There are very few admits at the law school who don't meet two basic LSAT and GPA thresholds, unless they're AA admits. At the undergrad, as you mention, there are far more people attending (in both absolute and percentage terms) who don't have particularly impressive GPA or SAT numbers. So it's weird to think of the undergrad as being "more difficult" to get into, but I understand the sentiment.

Sub elite is just like every other hobby jogger.

There are no olympics for sub elite...but you guys are the douchiest people at any race.

Are you serious? Review the ABA required disclosures re Harvard Law. It is much more difficult to get into than undergrad. Same with all other Ivy/Top14 law schools.

What professions produce the best beer milers?

1. Unemployed

2. Bartender

3. Geologist

4. Retail sales

People, Craig Masback calls almost every TV track race, and is a good lawyer. and a 3:52 miler pre-drug era.

There's a guy who ran for WashU who's a sub elite guy. I believe he goes by Alberto's dog on these boards. He ran like 2:27 in law school, which is pretty decent considering the workload

sirvasq09 wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Masback

People, Craig Masback calls almost every TV track race, and is a good lawyer. and a 3:52 miler pre-drug era.

Masback practiced law for no more than three years.

PT in Eugene wrote:

A lawyer or British equivalent (solicitor) once held the WR for both the 800m and mile.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/sports/othersports/02wooderson.html

Was going to nominate him as probably the best lawyer/runner.

Had it not been for WWII, he might have been the first to beak the 4:00 barrier. He missed around six years of competition - potentially his best years - during WWII, and in 1944 spend several months in hospital with rheumatic fever. Despite that, and the very limited diet that was available in England at the time, he came back to run 4:04.2 just behind Arne Andersson. He was also world-record hold for 800m/880 yards (set in 1938) and won the European Championship 5000m in 1946, in what was the second fastest time on record.

Rudy Chapa --- Oregon?

In addition to the Bay Area attorney/runners already mentioned, there are Eric Ivary (2:34 SF marathon) and Arturo Rodriguez (2:35 Boston marathon), both practicing law full time when they were also running marathons.

In the ultra world, Mike Wolfe was a US district attorney and winner of the NF 50 and Western States (he did both at the same time, if I'm not mistaken). Bryon Powell, founder of iRunFar, is a former attorney. Also, Kyle Pietari is a repeat top-10 finisher at Western States and full time at MoFo. Someone previously mentioned Amelia Boone.

Henry Marsh was a practicing lawyer when we got 4th in the 1984 LA Olympics.

Practicing lawyer here. I’m not in big law or anything super demanding. More or less a 9 to 5 job with occasional evenings and weekends so I have time to train even with a family. I’ve found that a very high percentage of lawyers are runners. Almost as many that have drug and alcohol issues. I think the profession causes you to seek some sort of outlet. Some choose positive areas some not so much. Most of my attorney friends who run have done a few marathons. A few have gone sub 3 hours. Most are trying to finish. My brother is an attorney in a major East coast city. He is the two time defending champion in his bar associations annual 5k. His winning times were not impressive.

A fine runner, Plumer was a finalist for the Jesse Owens award in 1990, not the award winner.

Lynn Jennings won it that year. There were six finalists (Michael Johnson, Jackie Joyner-Kersee, LeRoy Burrell, PS Plumer and decathlete Dave Johnson).

swamprunner wrote:

Are you serious? Review the ABA required disclosures re Harvard Law. It is much more difficult to get into than undergrad. Same with all other Ivy/Top14 law schools.

This is basically true, but the thing to keep in mind is that for undergrad, applicants are drawn from a lot of different pools. Harvard has more varsity sports than any school in the country. Then there are the the diversity admits (which isn't just racial minorities; if you're the top kid from Wyoming, you've got a much better shot than if you had the same GPA/SAT from California). Then there are donors and legacies. If you are a white, middle class kid who is applying purely on academic grounds with no "plus factors," then it is brutally difficult to get into the undergrad. But that's actually a pretty small group of kids. The majority of the undergrad had some "help" getting in. There's a lot of luck involved, too, because it's so difficult for admissions committees to distinguish between outstanding high school students.

In the law school, they do have affirmative action (though to a lesser degree), and they don't have all of these other plus factors. They're not as focused on getting a well rounded class. They want the best students, and they need to maintain high median 50s for their GPAs and LSATs for rankings purposes. So you have to have good grades and truly excellent LSATs. The MEDIAN LSAT score at HLS is 173, which is 99th percentile!

The bottom line is that most Harvard undergrads couldn't get into the law school. But most Harvard Law School students couldn't (or didn't) get into the college.

I didn't run competitively in law school, but I got back into it when I was clerking on the D.C. Circuit because the caseload was so light at that court. Ran a marathon in 2:3X. Kept running in biglaw (appellate litigation, so the hours weren't awful), and in my next job, and got down into the high 2:20s.