Why do we think a coronavirus vaccine will be better than a flu vaccine? Flu vaccine only prevents 10% of deaths

You definitely sound much more like a pretentious jackass than the person you replied to. It isn't that big of a deal that you've studied more advanced math. Get over yourself.

No, natural immunity is far superior to vaccine due to natural biological cascades and communication of bodily systems and processes, a large part of which are skipped with a vaccine.

On the ‘no one knows if immunity will last’ line that is now doing the rounds as a default to the previous doom mongering, well we know based on previous experience that if the virus does mutate then this is likely it will mutate away from being potent and therefore diluted.

Regardless of your opinion on this, remaining on lockdown for prolonged periods is a cost of death that no one has the willingness to comprehend and model.

Wejo may be the dumbest person with an internet connection.

roscoe. wrote:

No, natural immunity is far superior to vaccine due to natural biological cascades and communication of bodily systems and processes, a large part of which are skipped with a vaccine.

And yet the (historical) millions of victims of smallpox and polio might beg to differ.

So you knocked my intelligence and then said we don’t know if this virus can mutate like the flu? You essentially are saying we don’t know how good a vaccine will be. I just asked the question if a vaccine might be similar to what happens with the flu. You haven’t ruled it out.

Hell the WHO today (which doesn’t have a great track record with coronavirus) said their is no proof getting coronavirus gives you immunity. If that’s the case wouldn’t that mean a vaccine would be not that effective either? I’m assuming however getting the disease gives you some immunity.

Another question that might warrant its own thread is if there is going to be a second wave no matter what wouldn’t we rather have it sooner rather than later? We don’t want to to coincide with the normal flu season in the winter right as that already stresses the health care system. Anecdotally at least it appears warm weather and being outside helps mitigate covid so wouldn’t it be better to get exposed i summer rather than fall or winter if wage 2 is going to happen no matter what? And a lot of the country has had a very mild first wave. Not my area (ny suburb) but rest of country by and large except for Detroit New Orleans and a few others.

Flew Shots wrote:

I've had flu vaccine shots every year for more than 30 years. I am still alive, and I have only gotten the flu twice during that time.

Well I've never had a flu shot an never got the flu. If they are rushing out a vaccine that will only have a small chance of working then it's not getting anywhere near my body.

There is no Flu "vaccine". There is a Flu shot. A Vaccine means you get it and you never get the disease (Polio, etc)

There will NEVER be a COVID/ChinaVirus Vaccine. Just as there will never be a vaccine for AIDS

bamboozled wrote:

Flew Shots wrote:

I've had flu vaccine shots every year for more than 30 years. I am still alive, and I have only gotten the flu twice during that time.

Well I've never had a flu shot an never got the flu. If they are rushing out a vaccine that will only have a small chance of working then it's not getting anywhere near my body.

+1

+1 also to what Fisky said about exercise. I haven’t fallen ill to respiratory illness (cold, flu) since I started running 11 years ago. I used to get it like clockwork every year

skep tic wrote:

bamboozled wrote:

Well I've never had a flu shot an never got the flu. If they are rushing out a vaccine that will only have a small chance of working then it's not getting anywhere near my body.

+1

+1 also to what Fisky said about exercise. I haven’t fallen ill to respiratory illness (cold, flu) since I started running 11 years ago. I used to get it like clockwork every year

I've never had a flu shot, and I have recently had the flu. It sucked. Definitely getting it moving forward. What is the downside? Are you scared of needles?

Judge Judy 1234 wrote:

There is no Flu "vaccine". There is a Flu shot. A Vaccine means you get it and you never get the disease (Polio, etc)

There will NEVER be a COVID/ChinaVirus Vaccine. Just as there will never be a vaccine for AIDS

Of course there are flu vaccines, the trouble is that the virus mutates a lot. You get immunity to a particular flu variant, but the next year it's a different virus that does the rounds.

At the moment we just don't know if there will be an effective vaccine for this virus. There are lots of things we don't know... I don't get why some people feel they have to pronounce definitively one way or the other on things that they obviously don't know...

Stop spreading your contrarian opinion, you know exactly what you're doing. "The" flu is an entire category of virus. "The" flu vaccine is not comprehensive, and is engineered against a specific strain of this virus that is thought to be the most prevalent. COVID-19, however, is a single strain of the greater category of Coronaviruses. Use your brain, don't spread information you haven't spent 5 minutes thinking over.

pr100 wrote:

We don't know.

Measles vaccine -> immunity for decades at least, often life.

Flu vaccine -> short lived immunity because the viruses mutate a lot.

This.

How did you guys get into an Ivy League school?

Why did we develop a Polio vaccine? Why do we inoculate with M(easles), M(umps), and R(ubella)?

Is this site itself an infectious stupidity disease, or is the world really full of people that can’t grasp simple concepts from a history full of examples?

roscoe. wrote:

natural immunity is far superior to vaccine due to natural biological cascades and communication of bodily systems and processes, a large part of which are skipped with a vaccine.

kibitzer wrote:

the (historical) millions of victims of smallpox and polio might beg to differ.

Not if they knew where they'd gotten it from.

ridiculo-jos wrote:

Why did we develop a Polio vaccine? Why do we inoculate with M(easles), M(umps), and R(ubella)?

Perhaps due to greed and a depopulation agenda.

See at 3:47 of the video.

This is the truth. We need to rely on our immune systems and herd immunity.

Locking ourselves in our houses and waiting for a Bill Gates vaccine is insanity.

The Brothers Johnson continue to raise the bar for starting threads making them look like uneducated idiots.

Strawberry Letter 23 wrote:

The Brothers Johnson continue to raise the bar for starting threads making them look like uneducated idiots.

I asked a question that seems logical. I’m not an epidemiologist.

Hell even yesterday the WHO said there isn’t proof having antibodies by being infected prevents future infection. I saw a lot of people criticize them for that statement but I think it shows asking why a vaccine can be assumed to be super effective is a legitimate question.

I don’t see anything wrong with asking questions.

It is true that both the influenza virus and the coronavirus are composed of RNA. What follows refers to influenza A. However, the influenza viruses are segmented and are negative sense/strand RNA. Messenger RNA (positive sense) is made from these segmented viral strands which code for proteins including the outer coat, inner coat and enzymes etc. Segmented means that each strand approximately makes one protein each. Now why are the influenza vaccines not so effective? Every year "they" try to guess which will be the predominant strain(s). Pigs, birds, humans etc are hosts for these influenza viruses and they can be doubly and triply infected so that possible new combinations occur. The main outer proteins of influenza virus are the hemagglutinin (H) which agglutinates red blood cells and neuraminidase (N), an enzyme, which cleaves off neuraminc/sialic acid. There are 18 known subtypes of hemagglutinin and 11 of the neuraminidase. So when animals including people are multiply infected with different influenza virus strains they can readily mix, since influenza viruses are segmented. It is the outer coat proteins which we need to have antibodies against to become immune. In conclusion, there is no single strain of influenza. In addition, there is antigenic drift among the hemagglutinin and neuraminidase subtypes. Notice that the influenza viruses are listed as H1N1, H2N1 etc. in all the possible combinations. Let me further add that killed or component vaccines are not as long lasting as attenuated vaccines such as measles.

There are good, effective vaccines for many viruses including measles, mumps, the polio viruses etc., so we can see how the influenza viruses differ from these since they are not segmented. By the way smallpox which is a DNA virus was eliminated from the face of the Earth when it was declared eradicated in 1980. The last outbreak in the US was 1949. Most of the people on this forum have not been vaccinated against smallpox, but older people like myself still have a scar on there upper arm from the vaccination. Smallpox vaccinated was stopped in the US in 1972. My children three of who were born in the 1970s were not vaccinated against that virus.

So is coronavirus like influenza A or more like measles, mumps, polio etc.? Coronaviruses including CORVID-19 are composed of single strand of positive strand/sense RNA. Coronaviruses have been known since the 1960s to produce respiratory infections in people. A good thing is that it is not segmented, although there are a couple of strains of CORVID-19 mentioned. There are many different approaches to making the CORVID-19 vaccine, and it is not clear which one will win out eventually. A component vaccine would probably need boosts. I think/hope that a vaccine will be quickly produced by at least mid-2021, but CORVID-19 will not be like influenza virus.