Which country has decided to do life as usual and ignore COVID19 and what is the result?

Ggggg wrote:

Sweden kept business almost as usual. Nothing happened. Big surprise. Read this and figure out how stupid the rest of world is locking down healthy people

Nothing happened? LOL, you obviously don't understand. Sweden is fu****.

Hospitals in Stockholm are full. ICUs are full. They are prioritizing patients as I write this and some elderly can't get medical treatment anymore. Death rate just in past 24 hours has been higher than that of Norway which had the first case on the same date.

Sweden 112 deaths just in the past 24 hours with doubling time of approx. 4-5 days.

Norway 105 deaths total. Closed borders, schools and implemented social distancing and now are planning to lift some of the restrictions at the end of April.

Both countries had first case on the same date – Feb 26.

^ Moran.

By blocking most of its population from exposure to the virus, Norway is still susceptible and will merely face another wave. By letting it run its course, the Swedes are ensuring they'll be done with it for good within a month. More may be dying now, but the Norsks will catch up later, and they'll have a devastated economy, perhaps twice over if they haven't wised up by then.

This is the grotesquely comical truth in most of the locked-down areas. Unless their lockdowns fail, they're screwed next fall.

2600 is the number of your clownery. moran

You'd think you're the genius to be the only one to think about that. Well let me shine a light – every single epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist understands this. It's all about winning time, being prepared and doing it in a controlled way so that you won't blow out your healthcare system. Delaying gives time for everyone to get ready, stockpile PPE, drugs and prepare field hospitals. It also has given us time to research the virus and find treatment protocols that might work. What you see in Sweden is going to be a massacre of their own people, mostly elderly and those unlucky, because of arrogant stupidity.

Bad Wigins wrote:

By blocking most of its population from exposure to the virus, Norway is still susceptible and will merely face another wave.

informed_one wrote:

You'd think you're the genius to be the only one to think about that. Well let me shine a light – every single epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist understands this. It's all about winning time, being prepared and doing it in a controlled way so that you won't blow out your healthcare system. Delaying gives time for everyone to get ready, stockpile PPE, drugs and prepare field hospitals. It also has given us time to research the virus and find treatment protocols that might work.

What you see in Sweden is going to be a massacre of their own people, mostly elderly and those unlucky, because of arrogant stupidity.

Bad Wigins wrote:

By blocking most of its population from exposure to the virus, Norway is still susceptible and will merely face another wave.

When Wiggie was a little boy, he was in the cadets, and one day they did a march. His mummy was heard to say, "look at my little Wiggie, he's the only one that's marching in step"

dodge ball wrote:

jhgbfvtg wrote:

Is there a country in the world that decided to do absolutely nothing and treat it like any other contagious disease?

Or did every country basically follow the same recipe?

I know that Sweden has done less dramatic changes, but their streets are still pretty empty I believe.

I assume that Sentinel Island has not made any changes.

Other than them?

Life in Taiwan is still normal, although less tourists as the country banned foreigners from entering.

But Taiwan did exactly the opposite of doing nothing. They went into beast mode on day one. Test the sh!t out of people and everybody followed orders. They had SARS, they know the drill.

Taiwan has 382 cases and 6 death.

If anything we all should be like Taiwan.

Bad Wigins wrote:

^ Moran.

What word is that?

Does smell like updawg in here? wrote:

We could of done this

Seriously? Could of?

dodge ball wrote:

jhgbfvtg wrote:

Is there a country in the world that decided to do absolutely nothing and treat it like any other contagious disease?

Or did every country basically follow the same recipe?

I know that Sweden has done less dramatic changes, but their streets are still pretty empty I believe.

I assume that Sentinel Island has not made any changes.

Other than them?

Life in Taiwan is still normal, although less tourists as the country banned foreigners from entering.

Taiwan did not ignore it.

Ggggg wrote:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-response-sweden-avoids-isolation-economic-ruin/amp/

Sweden kept business almost as usual. Nothing happened. Big surprise. Read this and figure out how stupid the rest of world is locking down healthy people

Worth noting there has been a recent uptick.

I'd say let's see what happens over a longer period of time.

Bad Wigins wrote:

By blocking most of its population from exposure to the virus, Norway is still susceptible and will merely face another wave. By letting it run its course, the Swedes are ensuring they'll be done with it for good within a month. More may be dying now, but the Norsks will catch up later, and they'll have a devastated economy, perhaps twice over if they haven't wised up by then.

This is the grotesquely comical truth in most of the locked-down areas. Unless their lockdowns fail, they're screwed next fall.

Do you have any idea what percentage of a population has to contract a disease before herd immunity kicks in? It's not 2600%. It's not 2%. It's 60%. That means 3,200,000 Norwegians would have to be infected in short order for herd immunity to be infected. That means 320,000-480,000 Norwegians would require hospitalization. (And remember: a "mild" case means feeling like absolute death for 2 weeks, but still being able to breathe on your own.) And 15,000-60,000 Norwegians would die.

That's an insanely horrible plan that would devastate the country even worse than a month-long lockdown, which is why no sane nation is doing that.

Help me to understand wrote:

real info wrote:

Do you have any idea what percentage of a population has to contract a disease before herd immunity kicks in? It's not 2600%. It's not 2%. It's 60%. That means 3,200,000 Norwegians would have to be infected in short order for herd immunity to be infected. That means 320,000-480,000 Norwegians would require hospitalization. (And remember: a "mild " case means feeling like absolute death for 2 weeks, but still being able to breathe on your own.) And 15,000-60,000 Norwegians would die.

That's an insanely horrible plan that would devastate the country even worse than a month-long lockdown, which is why no sane nation is doing that.

Where are you gathering your information that ALL people with a mild case feel the way you indicated?

Guys chances are eventually almost everyone in the world will be exposed to this virus and it's just the luck of the draw how your immune system response

Probably the smartest thing is just for countries to make sure their Healthcare System can deal with things before they have everyone interacting like normal

But chances are the countries like Sweden that have a higher rate initially will just get through it quicker and people will be immune. It's just like with the baby you got to let them be exposed to things you can raise them in a bubble. If you actually make things to sterilize their immune system won't develop. So bottom line is everyone will eventually have to be exposed to this just like everyone's exposed all the other different viruses

Anyway looks like we're hitting the peak and the best thing is just to bring people back to healthy living

Yes. Just in case you did not notice, the United States did. That's why we have the worst numbers. Our government is so messed up it won't even acknowledge the virus now. According to the administrative branch everything is "fine."

Ok, in running terms. Where could I still find a road race?

Can I still find one in Sweden?

jhgbfvtg wrote:

Is there a country in the world that decided to do absolutely nothing and treat it like any other contagious disease?

Or did every country basically follow the same recipe?

I know that Sweden has done less dramatic changes, but their streets are still pretty empty I believe.

I assume that Sentinel Island has not made any changes.

Other than them?

Italy - for just long enough to get a taste of how bad it can get. See Iran. And LOL at Russia for having a total of 1 case.

Ok, any road race in Belarus in the next 30 days?

I’m currently looking for one.