wonder how Steve Magness feels about Mike Smith coaching Galen Rupp?

We can conclude from the AAA Panel ruling that "Magness' dirty little secrets on Salazar and Rupp weren't convincing and damning enough" and "(was) not as scandalous as we (were) led to think".

Ironically and tragically for Magness, the result of a prolonged aggressive investigation into Salazar and NOP was that Magness was the only "athlete" that committed an anti-doping rule violation, in large part self-inflicted for not complying with explicit Salazar's direction.

Having said that, I don't see Salazar overturning or reducing his ban. The wording of the rules seem pretty clear.

I don't see how Smith deciding to coach Rupp could reflect badly on Smith.

my 2c wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

If people thought that Tinman is arrogant as coach, Magness would be devil incarnate.

Thinks that he figured out everything scientifically and physiologically, acts like he knows everything but his athletes and XC team (Houston) are still average. On his podcast together with JMar it gets even worse, they are trashtalking other coaches and making fun of their coaching philosophies, no respect at all.

He thinks he is the next Lydiard in the running scene and really needs to be put down from his high horse.

Recently he started a trip on "self-improvement" and "mental coaching", writing multiple books, because he realized he isn't getting anywhere with his running coaching and knowledge.

This is really beneath you, LateRunnerPhil. You don't hold back from giving advice to people here, and you've got .01% (conservatively) of the experience that Magness does.

Laterunnerphil is the least credible guy on these boards. He's almost worse than JS.

donut nut ? wrote:

Can we stop pretending Magness is a successful person?

In what way is Magness not successful? Please control the jealousy.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

If people thought that Tinman is arrogant as coach, Magness would be devil incarnate.

Thinks that he figured out everything scientifically and physiologically, acts like he knows everything but his athletes and XC team (Houston) are still average. On his podcast together with JMar it gets even worse, they are trashtalking other coaches and making fun of their coaching philosophies, no respect at all.

He thinks he is the next Lydiard in the running scene and really needs to be put down from his high horse.

Recently he started a trip on "self-improvement" and "mental coaching", writing multiple books, because he realized he isn't getting anywhere with his running coaching and knowledge.

If you actually think all of this you never listened to much of the podcast. You've got it all wrong.

There is unfortunately stiff competition for least credible poster here, but at the moment Bad Wiggins is the king and will likely remain so indefinitely. LateRunnerPhil sometimes has useful insights on Tinman's training system., and he has his own experience as a runner. That's actually more than a lot of people offer. It's enough that he should know better.

LateRunnerPhil would be the least credible poster here if this was a running forum.

He seems like a nice and caring individual as evident by the handful of times I’ve met him but to my knowledge, he’s done nothing original to add to the science of endurance training. All of his books and blogs are taken from other people’s work. Self-promotion and citing research he hasn’t done disguises his lack of substantial contribution to the field.

On a side note, his attempt to be Tony Robbins is odd.

rekrunner wrote:

Ironically and tragically for Magness, the result of a prolonged aggressive investigation into Salazar and NOP was that Magness was the only "athlete" that committed an anti-doping rule violation, in large part self-inflicted for not complying with explicit Salazar's direction.

Lol, no. And what's with the quotation marks?

More precise: " Magness and Decker were the only athletes who were proven to have committed an anti-doping rule violation under Salazar".

rekrunner wrote:

I don't see how Smith deciding to coach Rupp could reflect badly on Smith.

There are so many smoking guns that a more ethical person would stay far away from that likely doper.

Magness is the definition of a cuckold

lab rats wrote:

He seems like a nice and caring individual as evident by the handful of times I’ve met him but to my knowledge, he’s done nothing original to add to the science of endurance training. All of his books and blogs are taken from other people’s work. Self-promotion and citing research he hasn’t done disguises his lack of substantial contribution to the field.

On a side note, his attempt to be Tony Robbins is odd.

Magness lacks something that all good coaches have: charisma.

In order for you to be a successful coach, you need to inspire athletes, you need to instill in athletes the belief that you're doing something great.

Magness is just not that type of person. He's a nerd at heart, with few leadership skills.

I also think it's weird his attempts to become a motivational guy. Leadership is not about that. Motivation is a byproduct of leadership. Motivational snake oil salesmen like Tony Robbins are not about leadership or success. They're about making a buck from the suckers.

my 2c wrote:

Dude, you think he cares about his salary? Wake up. His job just gives him credibility. Right now he's got multiple books out that have been well received and he gets paid for consulting and presentations. If you're looking at his salary, you're not even in the same game he's playing in.

Want to bet he made more for his salary last year than his books? Running books are rarely best sellers......

Dog whistle. Anyone that has over spoken ill of an NOP member or coach is unjustly crucified on here.

Experience is hard bought wrote:

my 2c wrote:

This is really beneath you, LateRunnerPhil. You don't hold back from giving advice to people here, and you've got .01% (conservatively) of the experience that Magness does.

Laterunnerphil is the least credible guy on these boards. He's almost worse than JS.

+1 and +1 for the post before it

Experience is hard bought wrote:

my 2c wrote:

This is really beneath you, LateRunnerPhil. You don't hold back from giving advice to people here, and you've got .01% (conservatively) of the experience that Magness does.

Laterunnerphil is the least credible guy on these boards. He's almost worse than JS.

Yes and yes. This Laterunnerpfall or whatever is the Ivory tower of ignorance. Sad dude.

I wish Steve would distance himself from JMar. I don't see him as a "know-it-all" as some of you have alluded to earlier, and I actually think he does a good job of presenting the positives/negatives of different training philosophies.

JMar, on the other hand, thinks he knows everything and is absolutely infuriating to listen to.

Magness would do well to write a blog post or two analyzing the Jumbo Elliott training system.

lol grow up, Smith Rupp, Magness... who cares. Skinny little men ..get a life.

Don't really care what Steve Magness feels. Next question.

We need to create a bot that we lists "coach prs."