wonder how Steve Magness feels about Mike Smith coaching Galen Rupp?

steve magness doesn't feel anything

katdaddy wrote:

cheat cheat wrote:

I think he should be addressed as Drug cheat Steve magness

Why?

I assume this guys is referencing Magness testing L-carnitine infusions for Salazar when Magness was no longer a competitive athlete, not exactly cheating. Magness had a pretty interesting podcast with Kara goucher on the clean sport collective podcast talking about a lot of this stuff.

I'll check it out

Can we stop pretending Magness is a successful person?

I listened to the Kara Goucher/Magness podcast and here are my thoughts:

- lots of allusions by Magness to: unhealthy culture, "prescription drugs being handed out," NOP like being in a "cult," and Alberto being a master manipulator

-HOWEVER a disappointing lack of specifics in terms of explicitly illegal activity being carried out, in other words, Salazar may be an A-hole (calling females fat, telling guys they will get kicked off the team, calling Schumacher the enemy) but nothing in terms of rules violations

- no discussion in detail/resolution of finding Rupp's medical report indicating testosterone medication , to me this is the most explicitly illegal activity if true, but Magness never says what USADA's findings on the matter were if any, he also continued to coach for years after finding Rupp was allegedly on testosterone, SOOOO he was fine being involved with a team using testosterone

Magness stayed on with NOP until he was fired . This is what the email documents stated .

Count Down Man wrote:

Magness stayed on with NOP until he was fired . This is what the email documents stated .

Yep.

I don't "wonder" what Steve Magness thinks. At all.

If people thought that Tinman is arrogant as coach, Magness would be devil incarnate.

Thinks that he figured out everything scientifically and physiologically, acts like he knows everything but his athletes and XC team (Houston) are still average. On his podcast together with JMar it gets even worse, they are trashtalking other coaches and making fun of their coaching philosophies, no respect at all.

He thinks he is the next Lydiard in the running scene and really needs to be put down from his high horse.

Recently he started a trip on "self-improvement" and "mental coaching", writing multiple books, because he realized he isn't getting anywhere with his running coaching and knowledge.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

If people thought that Tinman is arrogant as coach, Magness would be devil incarnate.

Thinks that he figured out everything scientifically and physiologically, acts like he knows everything but his athletes and XC team (Houston) are still average. On his podcast together with JMar it gets even worse, they are trashtalking other coaches and making fun of their coaching philosophies, no respect at all.

He thinks he is the next Lydiard in the running scene and really needs to be put down from his high horse.

Recently he started a trip on "self-improvement" and "mental coaching", writing multiple books, because he realized he isn't getting anywhere with his running coaching and knowledge.

LMAO. If there is one theme repeated in Magness' podcast is that he does not know everything and that coaching is as much art as a science. Which is 180 degrees different from Tinman stating that he invented critical velocity intensity and that it is the best intensity for training of them all.

Neither of them are top tier coaches though.

tin can man wrote:

The only thing Magness feels are the female athletes he coaches. That's why he was fired from NOP.

Wasn't it his girlfriend?

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

If people thought that Tinman is arrogant as coach, Magness would be devil incarnate.

Thinks that he figured out everything scientifically and physiologically, acts like he knows everything but his athletes and XC team (Houston) are still average. On his podcast together with JMar it gets even worse, they are trashtalking other coaches and making fun of their coaching philosophies, no respect at all.

He thinks he is the next Lydiard in the running scene and really needs to be put down from his high horse.

Recently he started a trip on "self-improvement" and "mental coaching", writing multiple books, because he realized he isn't getting anywhere with his running coaching and knowledge.

+ 1 A mediocre coach that emphasizes himself as a guru. lol

On the podcast they do repeat that they don't know everything yet they often speak and act as if they do know everything and it is all over the podcast. I can't even listen to it most of the time.

donut nut ? wrote:

Can we stop pretending Magness is a successful person?

This. It might matter a little to Mike Smith, but since he'll never have to worry about a Magness-coached squad giving competition to his squad then probably not. Nobody else should find it of any import, though.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

If people thought that Tinman is arrogant as coach, Magness would be devil incarnate.

Thinks that he figured out everything scientifically and physiologically, acts like he knows everything but his athletes and XC team (Houston) are still average. On his podcast together with JMar it gets even worse, they are trashtalking other coaches and making fun of their coaching philosophies, no respect at all.

He thinks he is the next Lydiard in the running scene and really needs to be put down from his high horse.

Recently he started a trip on "self-improvement" and "mental coaching", writing multiple books, because he realized he isn't getting anywhere with his running coaching and knowledge.

Recuse yo'self, Tinpuff.

Hmm. You obviously have some agenda and motive to attack the guy. Not that your opinions influence me though. Like, who are you?

His book is excellent, has helped me and many runners. He has a scientific approach. I don’t see “arrogance” and “devil” in his writing. You clearly have a desire to attack him for some reason. I highly doubt you have read his book or blogs etc.

I hope you find peace. Good luck brother.

I unfortunately never thought of Magness as super smart but he is overreaching to fill some empty void like never breaking 4 minutes in high school and bombing in college.

What I find hilarious is that Magness makes only 47k per year as a coach. and he isnt even the highest paid steve magness at the university He is #2 SM.

https://salaries.texastribune.org/search/?q=magness

You are overreaching. Not breaking 4 creating a void? Judging someone by their salary? Your post reveals your values. And employer too actually.

consumer of running lit wrote:

You are overreaching. Not breaking 4 creating a void? Judging someone by their salary? Your post reveals your values. And employer too actually.

Oh, if you are in middle school I take back the employer comment.

Dude, you think he cares about his salary? Wake up. His job just gives him credibility. Right now he's got multiple books out that have been well received and he gets paid for consulting and presentations. If you're looking at his salary, you're not even in the same game he's playing in.