Why are 50 percent of the virus deaths in NY/NJ? Any ideas why Chicago and LA have not blown up?

I’m saying based on how corrupt the state and city are, and how unorganized this state can be at times, I don’t trust the numbers.

And I know for a fact that people are being turned away for testing if you don’t have a note from your doctor crap. They are not doing that in New York, and everyone gets tested in Asia.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

I’m in Chicago, and it’s bad here. They just turned the McCormick place into a 3000 bed hospital.

715 cases, 18 new deaths today.

Now our numbers are not like New York.

One of the main reason is that Chicago is not testing like New York or Jersey. That’s the main problem. New York has ramped up testing.

Chicago numbers are down because they are not testing everybody. It’s quite sad....

And since we discovered that China has been underreporting their death tolls and cases, it makes me question Chicago’s numbers.

Scorpion_runner- why do you feel testing more will be beneficial?

Scorpion_runner wrote:

I’m saying based on how corrupt the state and city are, and how unorganized this state can be at times, I don’t trust the numbers.

And I know for a fact that people are being turned away for testing if you don’t have a note from your doctor crap. They are not doing that in New York, and everyone gets tested in Asia.

The deaths are what matters. People are staying at home. Why would they get tested if they have a cough and don't need to leave the house? Wouldn't they just risk getting vulnerable people sick?

Sad, Frustrated Coach wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

I’m in Chicago, and it’s bad here. They just turned the McCormick place into a 3000 bed hospital.

715 cases, 18 new deaths today.

Now our numbers are not like New York.

One of the main reason is that Chicago is not testing like New York or Jersey. That’s the main problem. New York has ramped up testing.

Chicago numbers are down because they are not testing everybody. It’s quite sad....

And since we discovered that China has been underreporting their death tolls and cases, it makes me question Chicago’s numbers.

Scorpion_runner- why do you feel testing more will be beneficial?

At this point with the shelter in place order testing probably puts more people at risk.

getcrafty wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

I’m saying based on how corrupt the state and city are, and how unorganized this state can be at times, I don’t trust the numbers.

And I know for a fact that people are being turned away for testing if you don’t have a note from your doctor crap. They are not doing that in New York, and everyone gets tested in Asia.

The deaths are what matters. People are staying at home. Why would they get tested if they have a cough and don't need to leave the house? Wouldn't they just risk getting vulnerable people sick?

Unfortunately people are not staying at home. If Chicago was smart they'd inflate their numbers not hid them as suggested. The more cases the more serious some knuckleheads will take it.

It is because it is New.

All New things are behaving bad. Like US is New. So they have death penalty like muslim countries and guns for everyone, like muslim countries and they do not understand humanity, like muslim countries and having leaders that lie, well that may happen anywhere, but since Nixon that is also New in the US.

*about lying, I might add Bill there "I did not have sex " and sofort.

Sad, Frustrated Coach wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

I’m in Chicago, and it’s bad here. They just turned the McCormick place into a 3000 bed hospital.

715 cases, 18 new deaths today.

Now our numbers are not like New York.

One of the main reason is that Chicago is not testing like New York or Jersey. That’s the main problem. New York has ramped up testing.

Chicago numbers are down because they are not testing everybody. It’s quite sad....

And since we discovered that China has been underreporting their death tolls and cases, it makes me question Chicago’s numbers.

Scorpion_runner- why do you feel testing more will be beneficial?

This is what China and Korea did to limit the curve.

two tests are going to have to be administrated.

1. To see if you are negative or positive. And the purpose of this is to quarantine and truly stop the spread. China tested everyone, and for those who tested positive, they contact traced their steps for the past 14 days. They then sent alerts to all the people in the area that the affected person traveled to and instructed them to get tested. What good is it to have people quarantine and they dont know if they have it or not, but they are going to the store, gas station, etc. This is is how it is spreading via asymptomatic people

2.Now if you test positive, and you get quarantined, and recover, you're going to have to get a second test to see if your body has properly built up antibodies for the virus. That was another mandatory test by China.

Plus you still got CPD, Firemen, store workers, etc still going to work who haven't been tested.

South Korea:

"The country prioritised identifying and isolating people testing positive for the disease, and developed capacity to run about 15,000 diagnostic tests a day. It has conducted more than 300,000 tests to date, free of charge, including in drive-through testing booths since replicated elsewhere."

Iceland

Small and relatively wealthy, the country has a few advantages when it comes to testing, and it has tested a higher proportion of its citizens than anywhere else in the world, including many showing no symptoms of the disease.

“Iceland’s population puts it in the unique position of having very high testing capabilities with help from the Icelandic medical research company deCode Genetics,” Thorolfur Guðnason, Iceland’s chief epidemiologist, told BuzzFeed. He said the testing effort was “intended to gather insight into the actual prevalence of the virus in the community, as most countries are most exclusively testing symptomatic individuals at this time.”

Iceland said fock and that ...we are testing everyone ...SK as well. Those countries aggressively dealt with it, instead of waiting for people to show symptoms ...They attacked it, and were proactive about it.

Hell chicago isn't even testing people with symptoms...telling them to stay home. I wouldn't be surprised if they are quite of few people who live alone who are dead because of it.

I live in Los Angeles and it’s such a different city than New York despite having a lot of people. Everything is more spread out here so you don’t have thousands upon thousands of people walking around downtown LA like you do around New York City. Also not great public transportation here so also don’t have thousands of people riding and sharing the subway. I work in healthcare and it really hasn’t gotten too crazy here-they keep telling us it will but it just hasn’t over the past couple weeks (at least where I am at). I think the early stay at home orders did help. The next couple weeks will tell but I just don’t see it getting as bad as New York.

getcrafty wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

I’m saying based on how corrupt the state and city are, and how unorganized this state can be at times, I don’t trust the numbers.

And I know for a fact that people are being turned away for testing if you don’t have a note from your doctor crap. They are not doing that in New York, and everyone gets tested in Asia.

The deaths are what matters. People are staying at home. Why would they get tested if they have a cough and don't need to leave the house? Wouldn't they just risk getting vulnerable people sick?

Hell those are the people who need to be tested and in the hospital. Countries who attacked it aggressively got those people in the hospital as soon as possible. Why wait until those people's conditions are grave to care for them? That's reactive. Hell they are even telling people if you have a person who goes into cardiac arrest don't bring them to the hospital, just pronounce them as dead. I bullcrap you not.

Those countries that tested the majority of their citizens without or with symptoms have way better control of the curve.

You attack it before it attacks you. These other countries have shown us what to do, but we still go the other way. We were informed months ago, didn't pay attention, And we still are not paying attention.

"Scientists around the world were waiting at their computers in early January when China released the coronavirus genetic code, the blueprint for creating tests and vaccines. Within days, labs from Hong Kong to Berlin had designed tests and shared their research with others.

Within about two weeks, Australia had its own tests, and even citizens in the most far-flung regions of the country could be tested. Laboratories in Singapore and South Korea ramped up test kit production and ordered extra supplies. That quick work allowed them to test hundreds of thousands of people, isolate the sick and — so far, at least — contain the spread of the disease."

"Anxious citizens in the United States and many parts of Western Europe have endured byzantine delays, or have been denied testing altogether. As the coronavirus pandemic shuts down world capitals and paralyzes entire economies, political leaders are rushing to make testing more widely available.

But experts say that the decisive moment, when aggressive testing might have allowed officials to stay ahead of the disease, passed more than a month ago. It was not a question of science. Researchers say a viral test is relatively easy to develop. Rather, scientists say, the chasm between the testing haves and have-nots reflects politics, public health strategies and, in some cases, blunders."

"The world may be paying for those missteps right now. Testing is central to the effort to fight the spread of the virus. Countries that test widely can isolate infected people and prevent or slow new infections. Without early and widespread testing, health officials and policymakers will be flying blind, epidemiologists say."

“Y​ou cannot fight a fire blindfolded,” said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, W.H.O.’s director general. “And we cannot stop this pandemic​ i​f we don’t know who is infected.”

We are such a stupid arse country

Also, In San Fran, 65 percent of the test are still waiting to be processed. They are on backlog!

Now how many counties are like that in California? I don't trust their numbers,

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/major-gaps-in-coronavirus-testing-in-counties-across-california/2297121/unties

in California are going through that.....so their numbers are crap to me.

"Numbers show we have a serious problem with testing in California. Our state is testing way fewer people than other states, and those tests are taking way longer to turn a result. In the meantime, health care workers might be wasting something they can't afford to spare.

This past Monday, President Donald Trump announced a milestone – the U.S. had tested more than a million Americans for the coronavirus.

But that milestone comes with a sizeable blemish – one largely focused here in the state of California.

More than 57,000 Californians who were swabbed to check for the coronavirus are still waiting for someone to look at those swabs. "

This is from mid January. China and WHO are the ones we should be blaming.

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

Scorpion_runner wrote:

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/california-has-a-major-coronavirus-testing-problem/2297750/

"Numbers show we have a serious problem with testing in California. Our state is testing way fewer people than other states, and those tests are taking way longer to turn a result. In the meantime, health care workers might be wasting something they can't afford to spare.

This past Monday, President Donald Trump announced a milestone – the U.S. had tested more than a million Americans for the coronavirus.

But that milestone comes with a sizeable blemish – one largely focused here in the state of California.

More than 57,000 Californians who were swabbed to check for the coronavirus are still waiting for someone to look at those swabs. "

yet the daily deaths remains pretty low (24 today, 234 total). Supposedly one of the lowest positive test % in the country at 8% vs over 30% for NY and NJ

It's a virus that there is no known cure, you can't attack it. Most cases are mild, why leave the house and spread it?

“You cannot stop a pandemic if you don’t know who is infected.”

Asymptomatic people are the Main ones spreading the disease.

And with people still going to work who are being forced to, postal, grocery, law enforcement, warehouse people, etc, they are not being tested....and I guarantee you they are the main ones who are spreading it.

100 NYPD have tested positive. Imagine had those people been tested earlier, it wouldn’t have spread to that many officer. They would have caught the positives and isolated them.

Like other countries have stated, the approach has to be aggressive and proactive.

The fact that we don’t have free testing and total access to testing is a joke.

Everyone will get infected so stop freaking out. You either get it now or get it later. Better to get it over with quickly so that fewer people suffer the consequences of isolation and unemployment which cause suicide, crime, drug and alcohol overdose, and violent crime.

How hard is it to process this? Millions of Americans will die! Trump has blood on his hands. Get it!!