Now 1,000 Americans are dying a day, will the deniers apologize?

Hospital on Long Island in a New York

What's easier to test for, flu or COVID-19? What's more likely to be underreported, the thing that is identified every day or the thing for which the tests are so precious that most aren't even tested for it who are likely to have it?

Yes, because listing your place of work on the Internet is always a good idea. Check any hospital on Long Island in New York and the story is the same for all of us.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Take out the four largest death totals by state (NY, NJ, MI, LA) and you have just 1,885 deaths through 3/31.

Statistically, most states are not having a problem with this. Outliers are making it seem worse than it is. This is like saying ALL of Europe is struggling with the disease, when it’s just outliers like Spain and Italy that are skewing the numbers.

My state has seen fewer than 40 deaths in over two weeks. What happens in New York is irrelevant to me.

Give it a couple of weeks.

You keep saying that. We are basically at the peak now. In a couple weeks we will be breathing a sigh of relief. There will still be many sick, but this thing will be losing serious steam.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

No because there is still a belief, and rightly so, that many non-COVID deaths are being reported as COVID deaths.

How many times can you move the goalposts.

Why deny a public health crisis? I don’t see the point.

I’m beginning to think this isn’t bad faith trolling but youre just a moron.

Barnes Jewish Hospital, St Louis MO

Keep trolling champ!

ECMO wrote:

Hospital on Long Island in a New York

Note to self: never move to a densely populated squalor.

I played golf today. My kids went for a run with friends and are at a party tonight. State has 6 deaths I believe, all old white guys. I think the best thing for healthy people is to try to get exposed early.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

You keep saying that. We are basically at the peak now. In a couple weeks we will be breathing a sigh of relief. There will still be many sick, but this thing will be losing serious steam.

Based on what? ? ? It's just getting started, look at Europe.

Europe is ahead of us on the timeline and their numbers increasing still, not decreasing.

Spaon and Italy are at 200 deaths per million with many other countries heading steadily toward 100 per million.

We are at 15 per million, but rising rapidly. I doubt we have more than 10% of the final total fatalities yet in the US

A Real MD wrote:

Barnes Jewish Hospital, St Louis MO

Keep trolling champ!

Fewer than 1500 cases in MO and 14 deaths, oh the horror

Belarus? Japan? Iceland, Israel? Germany? The world deaths are not close to the flu.

now's the time wrote:

Lenny Leonard wrote:

You keep saying that. We are basically at the peak now. In a couple weeks we will be breathing a sigh of relief. There will still be many sick, but this thing will be losing serious steam.

Based on what? ? ? It's just getting started, look at Europe.

Europe is ahead of us on the timeline and their numbers increasing still, not decreasing.

Spaon and Italy are at 200 deaths per million with many other countries heading steadily toward 100 per million.

We are at 15 per million, but rising rapidly. I doubt we have more than 10% of the final total fatalities yet in the US

The total deaths is increasing, yes, but that is a given.

The deaths/day is remaining stagnant or decreasing. If this was cancer, we would say it is in remission. Not cured, but not getting worse. Moving in the right direction.

Plus, I’m gonna pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans or “moving the posts.”

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

now's the time wrote:

by the time this is over it could do the damage of an entire flu season in a week. Hopefully it doesn't get that bad, but that's the level Europe is getting to right now.

Spain just lost 1,000 people today with a population 1/7 of ours.

That converts to 49,000 a week in the US when adjusted for population.

I don't think that will happen, but very clearly the potential for that is there....it's happening in Spain right now.

not just the flu

It all depends on whether or not you believe the authenticity of the numbers. A coroner could write anything on the death certificate especially if they're part of pushing the agenda themselves.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

now's the time wrote:

Based on what? ? ? It's just getting started, look at Europe.

Europe is ahead of us on the timeline and their numbers increasing still, not decreasing.

Spaon and Italy are at 200 deaths per million with many other countries heading steadily toward 100 per million.

We are at 15 per million, but rising rapidly. I doubt we have more than 10% of the final total fatalities yet in the US

The total deaths is increasing, yes, but that is a given.

The deaths/day is remaining stagnant or decreasing. If this was cancer, we would say it is in remission. Not cured, but not getting worse. Moving in the right direction.

so you just don't know how to read charts. ok.

ECMO wrote:

I also work in an icu. At my hospital we have the medical icu, surgical icu, cardiothoracic icu, Neuro icu, peds icu, pacu, cath lab, 2 floors and additional floor opened today all for intubated covid patients. Scared to go to work everyday. Never seen anything like this. There is a wait list for vents. So you would have to be a complete a$$hole to continue to deny. Wish you idiots could work one shift in the icu to see the utter devastation.

If you don’t like what your doing go flip hamburgers. But please stop trying to scare the rest of us just to sound important

wthewbn wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

It's okay to deny it when you don't have a primary source. And an unnamed spokeserson quoted in CNN or NYTimes does not count as a primary source.

The primary sources are rarely cited in media so media as a whole is questionable. If Americans had more intellectual rigor, they would pull coroner's reports and do actual primary source validation.

Johns Hopkins, Worldometer get reports sent from state hospitals. Not sure what other source you would consider if not the hospitals and coroners.

Your real stance is: “Unless I, Bart, armed with only a paucity of medical experience and an abundance of skepticism, can acquire HIPAA-incompliant access to individually-identifiable private health information of those allegedly fatal victims of Covid, I will not agree that any Covid deaths are anything more than mid classifications of pre-existing conditions.”

You Bart Simpson? Or Homer?

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Yeah, because the media never promoted the idea of something like Saddam being responsible for 9/11 or having WMD that we needed to go in and destroy...yes, the media would never mislead us.

Hey dickhead - only the American media propagated the Saddam WMD lie - the rest of the world saw right through that bullshit. That is the major difference here; LITERALLY EVERY COUNTRY with some semblance of a healthcare system is reporting deaths.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Take out the four largest death totals by state (NY, NJ, MI, LA) and you have just 1,885 deaths through 3/31.

Statistically, most states are not having a problem with this. Outliers are making it seem worse than it is. This is like saying ALL of Europe is struggling with the disease, when it’s just outliers like Spain and Italy that are skewing the numbers.

My state has seen fewer than 40 deaths in over two weeks. What happens in New York is irrelevant to me.

France, Netherlands, and Germany are all around 1000 deaths now. And the UK is at like 2200-2300. But that's not that bad, right? To say nothing of 10s of 1000s suffering.

And US-wise, to say meh to 2200 NYers dying is cold. You say fewer than 40 and not fewer than 30, makes me you're either a stupid Marylander, Virginian, or stupid Sooner.

To be clear; not knocking people from those states - spent time in all of them and like them - but rather I'm just saying you're a cruel moron and probably from one of the three.

Number of days since the first coronavirus death in Wuhan: 83

Number of people projected to die worldwide in that 83 days: 13,651,913

Number of people dead worldwide from coronavirus at last count: 47,208

The coronavirus deaths can be adjusted slightly downward because some of those people would have died from other causes within the 83 days.

Coronavirus is having a very small effect on the total number of deaths worldwide.