Deadspin: After 5 NFL seasons, Jameis Winston is just as good as Payton Manning, but he's black so no one acknowledges it

oh come on. Stats now are misleading due to rule changes. And Manning did not throw interceptions the way Winston does.

ReallybroReally wrote:

oh come on. Stats now are misleading due to rule changes. And Manning did not throw interceptions the way Winston does.

Lmao bro could you be more on the nose

Thanks rojo -- interesting thoughts

Figures lie and liars figure. But I think QB stats drift over the years. People didn't have 65-70% completion rates back in the day. Probably need some generational correction made to the stats.

ReallybroReally wrote:

oh come on. Stats now are misleading due to rule changes. And Manning did not throw interceptions the way Winston does.

You are correct. Manning threw MORE interceptions in his first 5 years than Manning, 100 to 88. Did you note read the article and see the stats.

See below.

deadspin wrote:

Peyton: 20,618 passing yards; 138 TDs, 100 INTs, 62.1 Completion percentage.; 85.9 QB rating; 4.9 TD rate; 3.5 INT rate

Jameis: 19,737 passing yards; 121 TDs, 88 INTs, 61.3 Completion percentage 86.9 QB rating; 4.7 TD rate; 3.5 INT rate

Winston is heading in the wrong direction. 30 interceptions last year, almost double any of his prior years. Who would you want on your team next year. Winston, or Manning in 2003?

another fun example of the brosjo approx a year behind the actual news. these comps have been offered for a long time now.

from tampa bay times (not typically out front of the news), a couple months back:

"When the passing numbers of those seasons are adjusted to weigh the statistics compared to the league averages in their era, numbers provided by Pro Football Reference, Manning’s 2001 season was better than Winston this season through all relevant categories: yards per attempt, completion percentage, quarterback rating, touchdown percentage and sack percentage. Though because the adjusted era stats compare the numbers to league averages from that season and the one before and after, current season numbers are weighed from a smaller sample size because only the current season and previous season are used."

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2019/12/14/are-jameis-winston-and-peyton-manning-really-that-similar-at-age-25/

Winston’s INTs are in the red zone.. which is Maddening.

He’s got such gifts but the work he needs is in between the ears. He wants the glory SO bad he has no concept of game situation or risk.

Manning was all game situation.

I think his argument is that the type of interceptions Winston throws are different.

It's an interesting article. The reason everyone makes a big deal of the INTs is that interceptions ARE a big deal. Sports Quant determined that a pick is worth a 4.35 point swing. The Bucs finished out of the playoffs at 7-9. If you look at those 9 losses, those INTs would have swung 3 games from losses to wins or to 10-6 and the Bucs would have been the 6th seed in the playoffs.

I wouldn't want him as QB for my favorite teams, but he might get a shot at a starting job if a QB gets injured before preseason is over.

ReallybroReally wrote:

oh come on. Stats now are misleading due to rule changes. And Manning did not throw interceptions the way Winston does.

Yeah I think in Rojo terms this is like comparing an early 2000s marathoner to present day with the shoes. An 85 QB rating in 2002 is like 100 now.

Peyton's adjusted ratings (compared to league average ~ years 2-5)

115, 123, 107, 115

Jameis: 96, 103, 100, 90.

One was a top 10 QB based on adjusted rating. Other was mediocre to replacement level.

rojo wrote:

ReallybroReally wrote:

oh come on. Stats now are misleading due to rule changes. And Manning did not throw interceptions the way Winston does.

You are correct. Manning threw MORE interceptions in his first 5 years than Manning, 100 to 88. Did you note read the article and see the stats.

See below.

deadspin wrote:

Peyton: 20,618 passing yards; 138 TDs, 100 INTs, 62.1 Completion percentage.; 85.9 QB rating; 4.9 TD rate; 3.5 INT rate

Jameis: 19,737 passing yards; 121 TDs, 88 INTs, 61.3 Completion percentage 86.9 QB rating; 4.7 TD rate; 3.5 INT rate

Hey Rojo, check the Pick 6 stats and then come back and apologize to ReallybroReally. Then learn how to read. He definitely wasn't discussing "HOW MANY", he was discussing "HOW". Big difference.

The dude had issues.

Bucs Motto: "Never do anything to put yourself or your organization in a bad light."

He did exactly that.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jameis-winston-uber-driver-incident-suspension-news-buccaneers/en8kmatkbvoj1euyjcnnouitu

ReallybroReally wrote:

Winston is heading in the wrong direction. 30 interceptions last year, almost double any of his prior years. Who would you want on your team next year. Winston, or Manning in 2003?

Wrong . It was an aberration because of the offense to highly rely on the QB. It was a pass at all cost offense which led to the high interceptions. His other seasons were not like that. Interceptions are going to be high when there is no running game and the QB is forced to pass.

But people are judging his entire body of work off it.

Dude is a productive beast, where he can make every throw. Also he got lasik surgery which is only going to help.

Tampa bay are going to regret picking up an Over the hill QB, who can’t scramble and will only get older and worse.

also hes a rapist. now that that's out there, maybe i agree with you.

say more.

You taken in by Deadspin? What a surprise.

blob25 wrote:

also hes a rapist. now that that's out there, maybe i agree with you.

say more.

Did he rape you or were you under the bed?

Who cares? Two loser QBs overshadowed by the GOAT.

There are far fewer interceptions in the league now than in Manning's first years due to rule changes and other factors, so Winston's INTs do stand out as a huge number.

Plus he's clearly nowhere near the caliber of Mahomes or Lamar Jackson or about a half-dozen other guys.

So why did you even start this thread?

[quote]1ub2run wrote:

Winston’s INTs are in the red zone.. which is Maddening.

Any stats to support that?