Rachel1 wrote:
The president’s home town has fallen, a very bad weak look for a sitting president.
Eh, dark blue city.
Sure, I can't doubt he's concerned about it but I wouldn't make the connection you're suggesting.
Rachel1 wrote:
The president’s home town has fallen, a very bad weak look for a sitting president.
Eh, dark blue city.
Sure, I can't doubt he's concerned about it but I wouldn't make the connection you're suggesting.
krispy kremlin_._._._ wrote:
Rachel1 wrote:
The president’s home town has fallen, a very bad weak look for a sitting president.
Eh, dark blue city.
Sure, I can't doubt he's concerned about it but I wouldn't make the connection you're suggesting.
You’re missing the obvious, everyone is saying this is terrible for him. A bad weak look nationally and even internationally.
Maybe NYC leans blue but that’s why the Kushner’s are in the administration to merge got sides - NYC power control.
because it's only been said twice in this thread:
NYC subsidizes the flyover states, and in a big way. NYC is suffering in this crisis in part because it subsidizes all the folks in flyover states who are now clamoring to avoid helping NYC. The $36 billion NYC paid for you guys in 2017 is almost 20x what Trump initially allocated to this pandemic. but keep on fightin for that moral high ground.
https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/1-7-19b-Balance-of-Payments.pdf
Sally Vix wrote:
It is supposedly the greatest city in the world. Why is Andrew Cuomo asking the federal government for aid when the state should have done the same to protect the citizens? The tax rates are like 65% - Why the hell does NYC not have masks and ventilators and everything else? Why the heck have they needed to rely on the federal government?
You have real balls starting a thread like this, must acknowledge that.
Stable genius said there was no issue.
But Miami 2017 is more apt.
They were totally prepared. They're just acting like they weren't, like everyone else. Omigosh here's another pneumonia virus that may kill a few hundred or thousand people. Let's panic!
Panic fulfills its own prophesy. If you inflate something into a huge disaster, then of course it will seem noone was prepared. Before the panic, noone was living in that alternate universe where it was disastrous.
hgyh wrote:
809 wrote:
We already had this thread, but didn't the President say this was a war? If we have a military war against another country do we expect each state to fight with its own military? Pay for it's own defense?
If there is major hurricane on the Gulf Coast do we expect Louisiana to set aside resources in advance so they don't have to rely on FEMA?
Aren't we one country facing a common enemy here? Which city will be hit next? I'm assuming you will expect New Orleans or Detroit to also have enough ventilators for however many patients need them?
The difference is that the hurricane doesnt decimate the entire US, only a small portion. The rest of the US is still functioning fine during the hurricane relief effort and can afford to provide resources. If you want to say the federal government should assist NY, that is fine. But not at the cost of any other state because every state in the Union is impacted right now. I live in a flyover state where my governor and local officials have taken this seriously since day 1, regardless of what Trump said, unlike NY. And sorry, but our resource need shouldn't be compromised because NY government was too afraid or naive or stupid to put proper protections in place early on for their citizens. Again help where needed but not at the cost of others which is what NY essentially feels like should be done.
Which flyover state are you living in?
X-Runner wrote:
The top federal marginal tax rate is 37%
The top New York marginal tax rate is 8.82%
NYC tops out at 3.876%
Of course the first tiers of income are at lower rate, so no one is paying up to 50% of their income.
Now you show me how you think most of their taxes are not going to the federal government.
New Yorkers also pay property taxes and one of the highest sales tax rates in the country. Also, anything you buy in NY the price reflects ALL of the taxes paid by any firm that touches that item throughout the distribution channels. Remember any tax that a business pays is passed on to the consumer, therefore the consumer as the full burden of all taxes paid to get that product to the retail level.
Do you think that poor people dont pay taxes? Every purchase they make is taxed, on many levels. Also poor people willingly tax themselves to death on every lottery ticket they purchase.
Bad Wigins wrote:
They were totally prepared. They're just acting like they weren't, like everyone else. Omigosh here's another pneumonia virus that may kill a few hundred or thousand people. Let's panic!
Panic fulfills its own prophesy. If you inflate something into a huge disaster, then of course it will seem noone was prepared. Before the panic, noone was living in that alternate universe where it was disastrous.
You've said some dumb stuff, but....
So, if they just ignored it, perhaps the gurneys wouldn't be full of critically ill people, or hospitals wouldn't be overrun, like they aren't with the normal flu
Or are you waiting for stable genius' miracle?
The hospitals aren't overrun, there's no evidence they will be, and they always have gurneys with critically ill people.
Deborah Birx explained today that all those rumors were nonsense, and the scary models were all wrong and reality is turning out different. Are you so far gone that good news is "dumb" because it came from me?
Do you benefit this grudge against my rationality and debate skills? Do you prove something about anyone but yourself by trying to dismiss my comments as "dumb?"
Is Dr. Birx dumb too? If not, why do you so badly want to disbelieve her? Because of me? Because you'd be wrong, and I'd be right? Reflect on this.
Bad Wigins wrote:
The hospitals aren't overrun, there's no evidence they will be, and they always have gurneys with critically ill people.
Deborah Birx explained today that all those rumors were nonsense, and the scary models were all wrong and reality is turning out different. Are you so far gone that good news is "dumb" because it came from me?
Do you benefit this grudge against my rationality and debate skills? Do you prove something about anyone but yourself by trying to dismiss my comments as "dumb?"
Is Dr. Birx dumb too? If not, why do you so badly want to disbelieve her? Because of me? Because you'd be wrong, and I'd be right? Reflect on this.
You do not know what you're talking about. New York is now allowing one ventilator to be used for two patients at the same time because the hospitals there are so overrun. Birx is a yes woman for the White House. Her expertise is with HIV/AIDS, a relatively difficult virus to acquire. She has no expertise in traditional infectious diseases, i.e. most viruses and bacteria and no expertise with regard to pandemics, and she hasn't been involved in anything other than being a spokesperson for HIV/AIDS for years. She was working for the State Department before Trump called upon her to say whatever he wanted her to say. My fellow MDs know she's a sham. Time has passed her by. All of the messaging on this should be going through Dr. Fauci. You are so politically biased you can't see straight. You are also very dumb, so very very dumb. Really, you are in over your depth here. You should shut your trap on all of this as you know nothing.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Is Dr. Birx dumb too? If not, why do you so badly want to disbelieve her? Because of me? Because you'd be wrong, and I'd be right? Reflect on this.
She's not dumb, but she's there to back up any moronic thing that your dear leader spews from his mouth.
It doesn't matter how much the stable genius lies and obfuscates, she won't contradict him.
Fauci on the other hand....
The poor people in my country pay 32% as taxes. The rich pay way more. But the situation has been like that for many, many, many years. You are too late
Apparently, the virus doesn't care about blue state v. red state, or how much people pay in taxes.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/us/southwest-georgia-icu-units-full/index.html
A southwest Georgia hospital that's reporting about a quarter of the state's coronavirus deaths says it has reached capacity in three intensive-care units.
NYC and other Democratic / Progressive areas of the country were more interested in spending billions on illegal immigrants, sanctuary policies, and nanny-state principles than other priorities such as pandemic preparations. That being said, the reason big cities are getting hammered by COVID-19 isn't politics, it is population density and mass transit. People living on top of each other and jammed into transit in close quarters on a daily basis is a recipe for community spread.
Sally Vix wrote:
It is supposedly the greatest city in the world. Why is Andrew Cuomo asking the federal government for aid when the state should have done the same to protect the citizens? The tax rates are like 65% - Why the hell does NYC not have masks and ventilators and everything else? Why the heck have they needed to rely on the federal government?
New York was one of the most vocal states complaining about a lack of testing. The tests came from the federal government. Not only were they not provided many tests, the fed was rejecting people with Covid 19 symptoms from getting tests.
So, essentially, they were sitting ducks.
If they could have solved the testing problem early on, they wouldn’t have needed so many masks & ventilators to begin with.
Bad Wigins wrote:
The hospitals aren't overrun, there's no evidence they will be, and they always have gurneys with critically ill people.
Deborah Birx explained today that all those rumors were nonsense, and the scary models were all wrong and reality is turning out different. Are you so far gone that good news is "dumb" because it came from me?
Do you benefit this grudge against my rationality and debate skills? Do you prove something about anyone but yourself by trying to dismiss my comments as "dumb?"
Is Dr. Birx dumb too? If not, why do you so badly want to disbelieve her? Because of me? Because you'd be wrong, and I'd be right? Reflect on this.
Wigins, I really find it amazing how consistently proven wrong you are, but how resilient your opinions are.
No matter what new facts are presented, you stick with the same story.
you have a point. If we could have tested all 330 M people in the US in late January and shut off all inbound traffic or quarantined them until we tested them we could have avoided this.
NewNormal wrote:
NYC and other Democratic / Progressive areas of the country were more interested in spending billions on illegal immigrants, sanctuary policies, and nanny-state principles than other priorities such as pandemic preparations. That being said, the reason big cities are getting hammered by COVID-19 isn't politics, it is population density and mass transit. People living on top of each other and jammed into transit in close quarters on a daily basis is a recipe for community spread.
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No one was prepared for this. This is an abnormal crisis . Thinking NY should have been "prepared" only makes sense for those who think this is just a different version of the seasonal flu. Time to get your heads out of the sand.
"Carlson criticized New York City health commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot, among others, who dismissed the incoming threat of the coronavirus in February.
"The risk to New Yorkers from coronavirus is low and ... our preparedness as a city is very high," Barbot said at a Feb. 2 press conference supporting the Chinatown Lunar New Year Parade and Festival. "There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take a bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday [Feb. 9]."
'Carlson also highlighted New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio encouraged New Yorkers in early March to "get out on the town despite Coronavirus."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-nyc-leaders-endangering-public-coronavirus
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