Ivanka wrote:
You mean this cure that was pushed by your idiot Trump:
https://twitter.com/carlzimmer/status/1242174944802410497
Millions of lives will be saved by these drugs. And you think it's not worth it because one idiot self-medicated and overdosed on it?
Whoever started this thread for all the Russian trolls to play together, excellent job.
stop the insanity. You can go without track for a season. Too many lives are at stake. When the number of dead is sky rocketting, there will be no business as usual.
Kvothe wrote:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-cure-not-worse-than-disease-971808/?fbclid=IwAR3m4K2Zn1vVrrxEqFEgHkzyJuM_goSI8nmUtrQmX2D_pRg6Zn0t-MeBiz4stop the insanity. You can go without track for a season. Too many lives are at stake. When the number of dead is sky rocketting, there will be no business as usual.
I guess we should have called off the Civil War as soon as too many people started to die. Anything worth fighting for is going to have some loss of life. The fight here is for our freedom of movement and ability decide our own fate. We've effectively become prisoners.
As a physician who takes care of these patients and someone who has lost a ton of money in the stock market and has family members who have lost jobs because of this, I would like to say you (and the president) are totally full of garbage about this. This is an extremely serious thing that can be controlled if we do things right (South Korea, Japan, Singapore) and will be an absolute disaster if not. Bad management of this will hurt the economy dramatically more in the long term than strong short terM action
The only way to cure the economy is to cure the disease. You cannot will people to go back to work in the middle of a f*cking pandemic. (And f*ck anyone who thinks we should, by the way!) If the administration wanted to roll out a state of the art testing regime like South Korea (and why HASN'T it done this yet???) people might be willing to risk going about business as usual, but if we're not willing to do that then people are going to be afraid, the economy will continue to get worse, lots of people will start dying, and the resulting social unrest will be scary.
The Original P.i.m.p. Baller wrote:
The only way to cure the economy is to cure the disease. You cannot will people to go back to work in the middle of a f*cking pandemic. (And f*ck anyone who thinks we should, by the way!) If the administration wanted to roll out a state of the art testing regime like South Korea (and why HASN'T it done this yet???) people might be willing to risk going about business as usual, but if we're not willing to do that then people are going to be afraid, the economy will continue to get worse, lots of people will start dying, and the resulting social unrest will be scary.
U.S has 300 million people, South Korea has 51.4 million. Population differences aside, you'll also need enough people qualified to do the testing...It's a matter of economies of scale. No state of the art testing regime is going to have forced compliance in the USA. Most people don't even vote, good luck getting them to go stand in line at testing sites....and good luck getting all of those results done in 2 weeks.
In the best case scenario assuming everyone voluntarily got tested, you'll be processing and testing folks for a few months.... and by that time the virus will have already progressed.
How would 500,000 old people dying hurt the economy? We have destroyed it by trying to save them.
First, it isn’t all old people who are dying. Second, people won’t just ignore it completely and let everyone die. It will be a series of ineffective half measure for a much longer time than a single, effective step followed by effective tracking and minimization of spread. Again, look at Japan and South Korea. Good control has prevented a prolonged economic shut down.
billy pilgrim wrote:
Again, look at Japan and South Korea. Good control has prevented a prolonged economic shut down.
You're comparing mostly homogeneous societies with a fraction of the population of the US to a more diverse, bigger, multicultural society like the US. Those comparisons don't work. You can't enforce the same measures in the US that you can in more homogeneous smaller countries.
You don’t half talk a power of p!ss Bart.
Both are quite large countries although they are homogeneous. We aren’t talking about Singapore.
I’m not arguing that identical measures will work equally well, but that effective measures here against the pandemic would be much better economically than giving up and letting the “virus take its course.”
Anyway, It is very easy to say that measures taken there could not work here. How could you possibly know.? We haven’t even tried
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
U.S has 300 million people, South Korea has 51.4 million. Population differences aside, you'll also need enough people qualified to do the testing...It's a matter of economies of scale. No state of the art testing regime is going to have forced compliance in the USA. Most people don't even vote, good luck getting them to go stand in line at testing sites....and good luck getting all of those results done in 2 weeks.
In the best case scenario assuming everyone voluntarily got tested, you'll be processing and testing folks for a few months.... and by that time the virus will have already progressed.
So you're saying Donald Trump is totally incapable of responding to this crisis as effectively as other nations have in terms of testing? If that's the case, then social distancing is absolutely imperative. There are only two ways to combat this disease at the moment: social distancing or rigorous tracking and testing. Choosing "neither" doesn't mean you rescue the economy, it means you commit national suicide. It's completely insane to suggest "reopening" the economy before we have even begun to meaningfully fight the spread of the coronavirus. The Republican Party is a genuine death cult.
billy pilgrim wrote:
As a physician who takes care of these patients and someone who has lost a ton of money in the stock market
i.e. as a rich person who is still rich and at no risk whatsoever of ever being poor.
What you are NOT is an economist. Recessions cause poverty, and POVERTY KILLS MILLIONS.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
If the "cure is worse than the disease" that would mean it would cause more deaths than if the virus was unchecked. Trump's idiocy is beyond measure. But he is really saying that he puts money ahead of human life.
Wrong! The shutdowns result in financial ruin for millions. Health problems due to financial ruin will easily surpass those from the actual virus.
The virus unchecked will kill hundreds of thousands in the US - possibly millions. And how many died as a result of the Great Depression?
Bad Wiggins, your name is inscribed on this website as someone who knows absolutely nothing about anything. You have proven yourself completely wrong and incapable of learning. Please shut up about everything forever. Especially when your disinformation will kill people as it will in this case.
This is a new disease.
No one has immunity.
The number of DEATHS is rising exponentially.
We've already seen where this goes from here in other countries.
We're a rich country with enough people to feed poor people if we choose.
But you can't do crap for a dead person.
So please, if you're anything other than a bought and paid for traitor to your own country, please just Shut. The. Hell. Up.
applestoapples wrote:
There is a definite class divide. Most people are operating in fear right now, but different people fear different things.
I live in an upper middle class suburb. The stay at home moms are going crazy on Facebook yelling at everyone to stay home and they’ve even started putting pressure on local small business to voluntarily close, saying cruel things to one another and starting petty arguments about how these aren’t essential business . These are women whose husbands are salaried in relatively secure jobs with good health insurance. They don’t fear the economic fallout because they figure they can survive it well enough—they fear more that someone in their family gets sick.
Then there are the actual small business owners and hourly workers who fear what is going to happen to their business, their employees, and their income more than they fear getting the virus.
Wow! Same in my community. Hit the nail on the head.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
If the "cure is worse than the disease" that would mean it would cause more deaths than if the virus was unchecked. Trump's idiocy is beyond measure. But he is really saying that he puts money ahead of human life.
Yeah and I'm sure you would have justified African slavery by saying it is better than being in Africa..
Non sequitur- but you won't know what that means. But if you are somehow suggesting that working to contain and eradicate the disease as the priority is "enslavement" of Americans then you are more stupid than I thought. And that was a low bar.
Crooked Hillary wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
If the "cure is worse than the disease" that would mean it would cause more deaths than if the virus was unchecked. Trump's idiocy is beyond measure. But he is really saying that he puts money ahead of human life.
Wow, this is a beyond-stupid statement, even for you.
I would expect you to not really understand what Trump is saying. But then neither does he.
So how do you think the economy will look if it is coming off the back of hundreds of thousands dead from the virus - which is what it is forecast to be if it isn't checked?
We haven't seen anything yet. This week is going to be horrible. At the end of 15 days I expect cities will lock down even harder, though maybe some less densely populated areas start to open up.