bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Umm, he has advisers and I'm sure he is speaking based on what his advisers confided to him.
Flatten the curve wrote:
I am glad to see you get your info from the most reliable source of all. Trump
Yes, the malaria drug really works, for malaria.
You are a troll because no one would admit that they believe what trump actually says.
It's a good troll though. It flushes out that Trump is an obvious liar and to believe him is foolish.
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
In Trump's defense, optimism is good. He takes it over the line and actually says factually false things and encourages reckless behavior. But I think I do see why he's being so optimistic. He wouldn't have to change his words too much to go from a total idiot to someone who's being a good leader in a time of crisis. He just needs a filter.
It's called truth. No chance.
Nothing but a declaration mentions the guarantee of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You must not really study history either. Irregardless, any of the founding documents are only as good as the society that believes in them. Yet republicans through the country can pick and choose when to follow their state constitutions as long as they get to do what they want. Senate republicans disregard their duty to even hold hearings for the a Supreme Court nominee. The joke is that one power hungry party, that claims patriotism is the root of most of the overreach in this country and the gradual weakening of it.
Marta L, YES.
I order online at a local supermarket, pickup curbside. No time spent near anyone else, to do this.
And as of yesterday, some tiny local food shops are offering this as well.
We all need to stay out of markets. Protect food workers and ourselves.
...and the sooner people start REALLY following guidelines, and also staying out of supermarkets etc, then the sooner we will be able to get a handle on this pandemic. But it has to be ALL OF US.
beef wrote:
According to many scientific experts -- I know, experts = bad -- the risk of inaction, or lackluster action, poses too great a risk.
You tools looking at the data and saying "hey man, doesn't seem that bad to me" still haven't grasped the somewhat simple concept of an exponential despite countless people's futile efforts to explain it in a way even an average 5 year old could understand.
If it only kills 50 thousand people, that's bad, but we'll probably consider that a win.
We should be taking simple, reasonable steps to mitigate the risks -- "just in case." Only a frail and brittle economy (America, I'm looking at you!) that can't handle even minor disruptions would think such precautions an existential risk, which says more about your society than the virus.
There is a lot wrong with places like America. I am increasingly skeptical of our ability to sustain organized human activity when we have chosen to put in power swines and swindlers who weaponize irrationality.
Thank you. The truth is that the president had been warned starting in early January and ignored it. Legislators were briefed in February and said nothing. The criticism falls on all of them.
Certain politicians (you know who) are now rushing to bail out corporations and pump up the stock market. All that does is send truckloads of cash to the very rich, in the short term. The real solution is to strongly fight the virus. The sooner we can safely get back to life as usual, the sooner businesses can return to making money. But we have to take this very seriously.
...and it will take more than 2 weeks.
open open open
yes, shop online and pick up your groceries in the OPEN, outside, keeping a safer distance from people.
No buddy, the malaria drug is just another hoax. A guy in new jersey died after having the drug that media claims can cure this covid. Actually there is a combination of different meds that need to be ingsted. Or mabe China does have the vaccine but it did a powerplay thing and made others suffer.
We could be open quicker than many are predicting. This is why there maybe some hope:
The Diamond Princess cruise ship represented the worst-case scenario in terms of disease spread, as the close confines of the ship offered optimal conditions for the virus to be passed among those aboard. The population density aboard the ship was the equivalent of trying to cram the whole Israeli population into an area 30 kilometers square. In addition, the ship had a central air conditioning and heating system, and communal dining rooms.
“Those are extremely comfortable conditions for the virus and still, only 20% were infected. It is a lot, but pretty similar to the infection rate of the common flu,” Levitt said. Based on those figures, his conclusion was that most people are simply naturally immune.
Stupidity kills wrote:
Pappy wrote:
I'm not a big fan of CNN. My opinion is they have done nothing but try to troll the public and discredit the President. Trump has a lot of faults but CNN has spun everything to the negative. I find it shameful.
Chloroquine is being used by the other countries. China used it first and decided the max dosage to be 1000mg a day in 2 500mg pills. More than that risks fatal cardiac arrhythmia. With this article once again shows how CNN is more about ratings, panic and making our President look bad than they are about the truth.
This guy has told thousands of lies, but sure the problem is the media...
Its true CNN always says negative things about Trump.
CNN NEVER says anything POSITIVE about coronavirus. They could say what happens to people who contract it and then recover, giving people optimism that we can get through this. No, it is always focusing on the DEATH metric. Or the # of new cases metric. Focusing on the negative.
"If it bleeds it leads"
A World consumed by fear wrote:
I am Sam wrote:
I actually clicked on that article...hilarious...didn't think they tin foil people actually existed in such numbers
They're not all tin foil people - many are concerned about a more controlling government using this exaggerated "virus" as the pretext. I think you, like many others, haven't studied U.S. history - they certainly don't teach it the schools anymore. 70,000 Americans died in the Revolutionary War defeating Britian for our Independence . We have a "Bill of Rights" and the guarantee of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Habeas Corpus is now suspended by this President during peacetime. Many Governors are ordering tyrannical shutdowns of businesses, restaurants/pubs, gyms, etc. Now many states have implemented "Shelter in place" orders (transaltion: "Home Detention in Place").
You'd think this was 1940 Battle of Britain where the citizens were at an imminent risk of dying by the daily Nazi bombings. Where's the danger here? A virus that has a mortality rate of about 1.2%? Lol. So, businesses, restaurants, gyms, etc. are ordered by the government to shutdown because of a 1% threat to their safety? Heck, I bet you have a much higher percentage of getting hit driving to work everyday.
The virus is the psychological tool used here - it has most everyone scared & paranoid to death (really shocking to see this by some many "intelligent" Americans). I see it on everyone's face. Look at the egregious hoarding of supplies - everyone is willing to give up their freedom and be confined in their homes because of the "virus." I even think attorneys are scared of the virus as to why any lawsuits haven't been filed against state governments challenging the constitutionality of the ordered shutdowns.
People are sheep. People are mind-controlled. People are consumed in fear because of a "virus." People are willing to submit to a unprecedented draconian lockdown during peacetime. And, btw, do you think the callout for the National Guard is just for humanitarian reasons?
https://www.newsweek.com/inside-us-militarys-plans-stop-civil-disturbances-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-something-they-1493485?amp=1
"Many are concerned about a more controlling government using this exaggerated "virus" as the pretext"
Pretext for what?
"think you, like many others, haven't studied U.S. history - they certainly don't teach it the schools anymore. 70,000 Americans died in the Revolutionary War defeating Britian for our Independence . We have a "Bill of Rights" and the guarantee of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
This is definitely taught in schools. Everything you say lacks grounding in reality.
"Now many states have implemented "Shelter in place" orders (transaltion: "Home Detention in Place")."
That's literally not what shelter in place means and not how it is being enforced in any state. You sound like a scared sheep believing every word you read on the internet.
"Where's the danger here? A virus that has a mortality rate of about 1.2%? Lol"
Again this is you sounding like a sheep. You're spinning this 1.2% number in a way that every other tin foil hat wearer does with out understanding the full context. What matters most is that hospitals are gradually running out of supplies and capacity given the hospitalization rate and duration. This is already happening in NYC and Seattle, the first places to have the virus in the US. Outside of those cities it may seem like its being exaggerated but the virus simply hasn't had time to spread across the country yet.
"The virus is the psychological tool used here."
Tool for what exactly? Some "deep state" take over that you and other sheep read on the internet and were told to believe by some podcast shock jockey trying to get you to buy his products like sheep?
You're in a technical field and you can't read or calculate exponential progression? Right now, we're at 48,000 reported deaths, +5,000 over last night. For the full day, I'll check back tonight. But let's just go through the math: x new=x initial (1+r^t) Cases Initial figure: 48,000 percentage increase in cases/day: 30 (r=0.30) Days: 10 and 21: 661,720/11,859,000 Deaths Initial Figure: 622 r=.34 Days: 10 and 21: 11,610/290,396 Deaths are currently more than doubling in 3 days. We do not want to get to that 290,396 figure in 21 days. I very much hope that actions will be taken to stem a national disaster on that scale, but it gets a lot uglier than that by 30 days. At this rate, there would be over 4 million dead in a month. Social distancing and stopping non-essential activities will hopefully get us way, way below that figure, but it is going to get ugly in the next two to three weeks.
jamin wrote:
zxcvzcxv wrote:
Cases in the U.S. rose by about 30% in a day, to 43,000+, slower than yesterday's 38%.
140 people died of coronavirus, an increase of 34% from the total deaths as of yesterday. At this rate, we get to a million cases in under two weeks, and in 10 days, we get to a figure of over 10,000 deaths total. If this rate increase kept up for 21 days, we'd be at 258,000 deaths! So, yes, this is a real problem.
Ummm ... What? You might want to check your math. How are we going from ~500 deaths to ~250k in 10 days?
The current rate of ~100 deaths/day is a less than 2% increase from the 7708 deaths/day. It's basically a rounding error.
That should say, 48,000 reported CASES. But that has already changed to just under 50,000.
We'll have more cases than China by the end of the week (for the per capita crowd).
This is fine.
sparky polastry wrote:
I despise Trump in general and blame him for the total failure to assess and properly prepare for the threat we're facing. He's an embarrassment and his pathological lying and incessant off the cuff bs'ing is extremely counterproductive. That being said, I'm glad he and some of his advisers are strongly considering whether or not the cure is worse than the disease.
There's a lot of talk about this being a war. In war, there are sacrifices and casualties. I'm 100% on board with current lock downs, and 2 weeks is way too early to re-open. But, we've lost the containment battle, and there is no hope that we can permanently suppress this pandemic with the current strategies. We will likely be spending 2/3 of our lives in lock down until a vaccine is available. 18 months is not a hard date on a vaccine, it could be never. The collateral damage of extended lock downs are almost incalculable and need to be seriously considered.
Our greatest potential weapon in fighting this is the herd immunity that can be provided by the 95-98% of us who will get through this virus without major health complications. The horrors of what we're facing are real and merited a lot of sacrifice to attempt to avoid, but that battle was lost and can't be refought. Given our lack of preparedness, our current delay tactics are appropriate. I think we should take from now until Memorial Day to sacrifice economically and deal with the shutdowns and social distancing. We get through the peak, build up our emergency health care infrastructure, pass emergency measures for extended support and disability payments for at risk people who wish to remain in extended semi-isolation, and develop knew hygiene standards for businesses when they reopen. Then we get on with it. Another peak will come that may be significantly worse than the first, but should improve from there.
If another nation was on the cusp of invading and imposing the conditions that we're now talking about facing for 18 months to forever, how much would we be willing to sacrifice to defeat that enemy? How many risks would we expect able bodied people to assume in fighting that fight? How many casualties would be acceptable to win?
Great post, completely agree.
Bad Wigins is really dumb wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
China started in December and was done by February. That's 2 months total, not 4 months. And they had no idea what they were dealing with at first, even thought SARS-1 was back. Wasted a ton of resources trying to quarantine the uncontainable.
There is no evidence that "social distancing" actually had anything to do with the numbers dropping, or if it even happened as planned. There is evidence that washing your hands works, and they did that.
No evidence? I guess for evidence you would need a population, say Hong Kong, who implemented social distancing, people working from home, etc. and their numbers dropped, and then when Hong Kong relaxed those restrictions you would need to see a new wave of infection. So, exactly how Hong Kong is seeing a new wave of infection after relaxing restrictions. You stupid fvcking idiot.
So what happened in China then, why no new wave? Do you think the virus is now gone from China?
Dr. Fauci.