Armstronglivs wrote:
A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:
For what sane reason do you believe politicians on any subject?
For the reason that the alternative is people like you, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and 8-Chan.
Sounds smart.
Armstronglivs wrote:
A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:
For what sane reason do you believe politicians on any subject?
For the reason that the alternative is people like you, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and 8-Chan.
Sounds smart.
fisky wrote:
Slightly off topic... it's sad when the governor of a state does a better job of informing the public than the entire Center for Disease Control.
The CDC is a scientific organization, that provides vetted information, that is as accurate as possible in rapidly changing situations. That is their responsibility, and it is taken seriously. There's nothing sad about what the CDC does.
smart dude wrote:
fisky wrote:
Slightly off topic... it's sad when the governor of a state does a better job of informing the public than the entire Center for Disease Control.
The CDC is a scientific organization, that provides vetted information, that is as accurate as possible in rapidly changing situations. That is their responsibility, and it is taken seriously. There's nothing sad about what the CDC does.
That would be so if they didn't have to keep the Emperor Nero happy.
A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
For the reason that the alternative is people like you, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and 8-Chan.
Sounds smart.
Define smart.
Armstronglivs wrote:
smart dude wrote:
The CDC is a scientific organization, that provides vetted information, that is as accurate as possible in rapidly changing situations. That is their responsibility, and it is taken seriously. There's nothing sad about what the CDC does.
That would be so if they didn't have to keep the Emperor Nero happy.
Dang, it didn't take long for your posts to devolve into the political ranting of someone afflicted by Trump Derangement Syndrome (actually afflicts more people than COVID-19, look it up). Nicely done.
Armstronglivs wrote:
A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:
Don't worry. That's because you're not a dumb ass fearmonger like the person who posted the link.
The "dumb ass fearmonger" was the Governor of NY. But I guess you aren't really following events.
Any interest in responding to the actual question at hand: do you have evidence for your statement that half of all people requiring intensive care for COVID-19 are younger people?
We'll put. I'm with you man. I wish there was more of us
Armstronglivs wrote:
The "dumb ass fearmonger" was the Governor of NY. But I guess you aren't really following events.
Not sure who the dum ass is, but there are a few.
Cuomo said 53% of hospitalisations
You and Fisky say ICU
Are all hospitalisations ICU, how many are just a check up.
Maybe there is something in the water. The number of Italians dying are overwhelming whereas in Aus, a very specific group of 7 have died out of 1350, youngest 77 (cruise ship passenger), 95, 90 and 84 yo in same nursing home
Apparently 2% are serious/critical, so that is about 27 people here
Baba Yaga wrote:
I am thinking more ad more about this.
This virus only kills and have serious consequences for people who are old or/and have bad pre existing conditions such as diabete, cardiovascular diseases, and high blood pressures. These conditions typically exists for old people or people who have morbid obesity.
So why locking down people who will barely feel the disease? Just to avoid locking down just the old and sick and give and protect their feelings?
I'm cutting you out of my will. Dad
A Hungry, Violent Mob wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
That would be so if they didn't have to keep the Emperor Nero happy.
Dang, it didn't take long for your posts to devolve into the political ranting of someone afflicted by Trump Derangement Syndrome (actually afflicts more people than COVID-19, look it up). Nicely done.
A "political rant" is any comment that sees the POTUS as playing a critical role in the disaster currently unfolding in the US. I wonder if you'll take that view when it's your turn or those of people you know to require hospital treatment and there are no supplies, which is where the health system is headed.
Erwin9 wrote:
We'll put. I'm with you man. I wish there was more of us
There are. That's why your country is heading to a health apocalypse.
The CDC says 40% of those aged between 20-54 are sick enough to require hospitalisation in NY. That was 4 days ago. Reports I have seen since on CNN indicate that number is increasing. That from health professionals in the hospitals. You can get bogged down in arguing the figures but the picture is overwhelming that the disease is seriously impacting young people.
Wow. There are 2 million people in NYC between 20-54 which means 800,000 were hospitalized.
Baba Yaga wrote:
I am thinking more ad more about this.
This virus only kills and have serious consequences for people who are old or/and have bad pre existing conditions such as diabete, cardiovascular diseases, and high blood pressures. These conditions typically exists for old people or people who have morbid obesity.
So why locking down people who will barely feel the disease? Just to avoid locking down just the old and sick and give and protect their feelings?
It can kill young people. There is a 12 year old in critical condition right now because of it. Just because it hurts older people more doesn't mean it won't hurt anyone under sixty.
We're trying to keep our hospitals from being overrun and trying not to run out of equipment. In the end we're trying to save lives. Whether they be old or young.
Even if it absolutely only affected 90 year olds it would still be worth it. Those people built this fn country into what it is today so it's the least we can do for them.
It's simply what Americans do.
predictor wrote:
Wow. There are 2 million people in NYC between 20-54 which means 800,000 were hospitalized.
Sure, wise guy. Duck the point, which is that of those hospitalized for the disease 40% were aged between 20-54. That was 4 days ago. Enjoy your time in IC - when it comes.
I am Sam wrote:
I posited earlier that we already have disproportionate older demographic under strain of pensions etc. As well as disproportionately high number of people with lifestyle diseases , obesity-diabetes-renal-CAD-liver etc, that are already a burden and strain on health services. Everyone wants 'small govt' until they need that support.
So we have rapidly extended lifespans due to advances in medicine and 'caring for everyone'..even if they didn't bother to care for themselves.
Don't throw everyone in the same bracket , I am 62 and still chasing another sub 3. I made a conscious decision in my late teens when I ran my first marathon, that I "do not want to look and be like that"...and by 'that' I was looking at the people in 60's or even 50's that told you how great they were, but looked like the fat ,walking dead.
I saw Carlos Lopes showing the 'youngsters' (37 was old for me then) how to do it.
In the future after we have destroyed the economy, then we will have saved more of these people, yet have less money to keep them alive, more middle aged will even suicide more than they already do.
What can we do about it. Just be positive.
So, restaurants, bars etc are closed here because the younger set on the other hand don't want to distance.
Lets make it a plan to order at least one take away a week from the restaurants we used to frequent. I work for a massive (US) company. We will survive, will my job survive- hopefully. But I will be lobbying leadership to put a second takeaway on the company card - for all of us who travel interstate every two weeks and no longer spend that travel bill.
We have all got to keep the wheels turning
Sam, anyone over 60 should not be racing; certainly not 'thons. That is plain unhealthy. Your aging body is under stress, and you want to add to it? WTF, brotein.
Running is fine; racing is Verboten.
That day you are feeling "off" you will still drag your ass out if you have a race looming. That "off" day could kill you.
If just running you would skip that "off" day.
Discus?
knotfromhere wrote:
I am Sam wrote:
I posited earlier that we already have disproportionate older demographic under strain of pensions etc. As well as disproportionately high number of people with lifestyle diseases , obesity-diabetes-renal-CAD-liver etc, that are already a burden and strain on health services. Everyone wants 'small govt' until they need that support.
So we have rapidly extended lifespans due to advances in medicine and 'caring for everyone'..even if they didn't bother to care for themselves.
Don't throw everyone in the same bracket , I am 62 and still chasing another sub 3. I made a conscious decision in my late teens when I ran my first marathon, that I "do not want to look and be like that"...and by 'that' I was looking at the people in 60's or even 50's that told you how great they were, but looked like the fat ,walking dead.
I saw Carlos Lopes showing the 'youngsters' (37 was old for me then) how to do it.
In the future after we have destroyed the economy, then we will have saved more of these people, yet have less money to keep them alive, more middle aged will even suicide more than they already do.
What can we do about it. Just be positive.
So, restaurants, bars etc are closed here because the younger set on the other hand don't want to distance.
Lets make it a plan to order at least one take away a week from the restaurants we used to frequent. I work for a massive (US) company. We will survive, will my job survive- hopefully. But I will be lobbying leadership to put a second takeaway on the company card - for all of us who travel interstate every two weeks and no longer spend that travel bill.
We have all got to keep the wheels turning
Sam, anyone over 60 should not be racing; certainly not 'thons. That is plain unhealthy. Your aging body is under stress, and you want to add to it? WTF, brotein.
Running is fine; racing is Verboten.
That day you are feeling "off" you will still drag your ass out if you have a race looming. That "off" day could kill you.
If just running you would skip that "off" day.
Discus?
punch yourself in the face idiot. Plenty of guys older than him are running marathons or ultras. You can race until the day you die so long as you have no health issues.
Armstronglivs wrote:
The CDC says 40% of those aged between 20-54 are sick enough to require hospitalisation in NY. That was 4 days ago. Reports I have seen since on CNN indicate that number is increasing. That from health professionals in the hospitals. You can get bogged down in arguing the figures but the picture is overwhelming that the disease is seriously impacting young people.
https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-young-people.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15849306022028&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2020%2F03%2F18%2Fhealth%2Fcoronavirus-young-people.html
Okay...you win - this is a devastating virus that's threatening mankind. Send that link to the CDC - everybody contact them putting pressure to get the antiviral drugs online and a vaccine ready NOW.
This is 2020 - not the dark ages; societies shouldn't have to be locked down and economies completely destroyed because of a virus.
The medical sciences need to step up and do a much better job! (it seems they've been sleeping on the job and not earning their pay). Get the antiviral drugs out there and start saving lives. Rush a vaccine through and have it ready NOW!!!
The future of mankind is on the line. (no sarcasm here - this is a very threatening virus for all ages!).
Armstronglivs wrote:
predictor wrote:
Wow. There are 2 million people in NYC between 20-54 which means 800,000 were hospitalized.
Sure, wise guy. Duck the point, which is that of those hospitalized for the disease 40% were aged between 20-54. That was 4 days ago. Enjoy your time in IC - when it comes.
You are disgusting.
Here's my take wrote:
This is 2020 - not the dark ages; societies shouldn't have to be locked down and economies completely destroyed because of a virus.
The mob is in total denial about the damage they've done. They've gone insane. Lock them down too, not just the old people.
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