We need a national lockdown. Now.

This guy had double whammy of weakened immune system from cancer and overweight. Probably some other lifestyle disease to complicate matters.

Malmo ate wonton wrote:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/563620/man-dies-coronavirus-two-weeks-disney-world-universal-studios/

7 million from starvation last year. Did you donate all of your earnings to helping them?

Fragemeister wrote:

rg2 wrote:

I sure hope this is a sarcastic post. If not, this is the nonsense that’s causing the panic. If you’re worried, stay at home, but don’t try to take my freedom away.

This post won’t age well. Let’s check in next week.

And in a week you'll say "just wait one more week!" Then in another week, you'll say the same thing.

Psychopathic doomers sitting at home cheering this thing on. Gross.

eff the doomers wrote:

Fragemeister wrote:

This post won’t age well. Let’s check in next week.

And in a week you'll say "just wait one more week!" Then in another week, you'll say the same thing.

Psychopathic doomers sitting at home cheering this thing on. Gross.

in 2 weeks, I and you, and so many people you know will be sick that you won't worry about winning internet arguments. Go ahead, watch the dow drop toward 0 and think this thing is not a big deal still...

Kvothe wrote:

eff the doomers wrote:

And in a week you'll say "just wait one more week!" Then in another week, you'll say the same thing.

Psychopathic doomers sitting at home cheering this thing on. Gross.

in 2 weeks, I and you, and so many people you know will be sick that you won't worry about winning internet arguments. Go ahead, watch the dow drop toward 0 and think this thing is not a big deal still...

You sound like a prepper/doomer who wants the death toll to be high so you can feel vindicated. That's disgusting. gtfo

Huh? The Dow is dropping due to the Draconian measures that have been taken. If it had been downplayed and everyone was still in school and work and we were watching the NCAA tournament, the Dow would be at 30k.

Fragemeister wrote:

rg2 wrote:

I sure hope this is a sarcastic post. If not, this is the nonsense that’s causing the panic. If you’re worried, stay at home, but don’t try to take my freedom away.

This post won’t age well. Let’s check in next week.

I’ve screenshot it.

you’re number 3 wrote:

The US is now number 3 in total number of people who tested positive. There are many different time lags, one being the time from a positive test until death. Those testing positive will keep increasing at a faster and faster rate, especially with no restrictions. In any event, my question is, how many Americans would need to die of this virus before you felt it was serious?

I wouldn't say "before" I feel it is serious, as it will be something seen in hindsight. But my number would probably be 20,000 dead in the U.S. I figure if 10,000 people die it will be like having curbed a bad flu season (in which 40,000-60,000 die with no special measures), if 20,000 people die despite these measures it would probably mean we would have seen 100,000 dead with no measures, thus making it about the worst viral killer we've had in generations (time is also a factor, I'm thinking within 6 months, so by like July, August). If 100,000 people die in the U.S. from COVID-19 in 2020, I'd say that's pretty effing bad. I personally don't see that happening and think we're overreacting, but respect and try to listen to those who do. Hope for the best, be prepared for the worst and all that.

And then (again, in hindsight) people will have to judge the worthwhileness of these measures regarding individual lives versus national way of life and economy for themselves. Which will depend a lot on how many people we know died or were greatly affected by the actual sickness and how many people we know who were aversely affected by the economic shutdown.

If after it's all said and done you don't know anyone who died but you and people you know lose a job and a few thousand dollars (which could mean losing housing, car, etc.), you'll probably be pretty peeved at all the fuss being made over a bad flu and a few or even tens of thousands of deaths.

Whereas if you have a parent or grandparents die and you or some friends are really sick for a week but your company is prepared and no paychecks are lost and everything is back to normal in a couple months you'll probably be pretty pissed off at how people have devalued the human lives lost.

serious tom wrote:

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America is going to have 2,500+ deaths a day at minimum in 2 weeks or less.

...

what is average daily death rate in the US, without any virus?

you can estimate it yourself, or run a quick google search

here's a reasonable number:

".... According to the United Nations World Population Prospects report, approximately 7,452 people die every day in the United States....."

so, when you are saying "2,500+ a day", is it on top of the average 7,452 ?

or you are predicting that we will be 3x down to 2,500+ from the current rate?

let me put it this way: if you take all people that die daily and test them all for the virus,

and some come back positive, are you going to count them all as killed by the virus?

even if they have a gunshot wound?

The truth is this: if we don't take it seriously the economic collapse will last a lot longer. If every single person in America stayed inside for 3 weeks, then we can go back to normal after 3 weeks. Instead, people will keep thinking it's not a big deal so this thing will last 6 months. 6 months of economic collapse is far worse than 3 weeks.

People who start posts with "you do realize" are fvcking twats.

Haha, another flu retard - the coronavirus hospitalizes people at about 200x the rate of the flu and has a mortality rate that looks to be 40x deadlier. It takes up to eight weeks to die after showing symptoms which is why you see the death numbers lagging behind infection numbers. The mean infection time, or the average amount of time someone is sick with the virus, is 20 days. Look at the number of active cases vs closed cases and the outcomes of the closed cases - its impossible to say what the death rate is because so many people are still fighting this damn thing! What we do know is that its AT LEAST 12x deadlier than the flu and upwards of 120x deadlier (that is if you take the 12% case fatality rate as it stands right now).

Yesterday the coronavirus killed four times as many people in Italy in ONE DAY than the flu killed in the entire country in ONE YEAR (800 deaths in italy yesterday from Corona in one day, flu killed 240 last year).

In the United States, after only being exposed to the virus for a few weeks, there are now more people dying from coronavirus per day than from the flu. If you think the flu is so bad, and in a BEST CASE scenario (ignoring all scientific consensus, peer reviewed medical literature, reality, and the data on the ground), equate corona to a flu, wouldn't doubling the duration of flu cases be a complete disaster? After all, according to you, I should be concerned about this deadly killer called Influenza. I think I heard about it, its a brand new virus killing hundreds of people a day in Italy, I think. Am I getting all that right?

I think numbers show Coronavirus is more deadly than the flu but no idea where you're pulling some of yours from. The high estimates which top out at 4% death rate are based only confirmed cases where for the Flu they account for a certain percentage of people who are never confirmed to come up with the actual %. So we're using a completely different method for calculating death rate, and one that is not accurate since we don't have any data yet on how many people are infected and show minor to no symptoms and are never tested. In the Wuhan province, initial estimates were over 3% and have dropped to 1.4% as more data is collected. Probably will continue to drop. As the testing pool widens they're finding more people were infected than were originally thought which is going to happen everywhere,

In a normal flu year, 36K to 60K Americans die. Roughly 100-200 per day not accounting for the seasonal nature where that will be higher this time of year than the summer. Will Corona virus top that? Maybe, but it doesn't seem we have enough data to make that call yet.

What I find shocking is that no one has really latched onto the fact that only about 5% of those tested actually come back positive. Regardless of what the final counts end up being there is no doubt that there is a hysteria angle that is making this worse than just the viral impacts. Since we only started testing in the last couple weeks and it really ramped up this week obviously the cases aren't going to decline for a while.

Humans have a very bad concept of the large magnitude of things. When it is reported that 100 people died and 5000 tested positive yesterday it sounds scary. But when you take in to perspective our massive population of over 300 million that isn't very surprising. Given the nature of our population and the close contact we have people are going to die of infectious diseases. It seems unlikely Coronavirus deaths will not continue to rise. But if we continue to lose 50-100 people a day I think this will look like a massive overreaction. So far the numbers I'm seeing don't cause me to panic, I think we should be careful and observant but I do think to shut down out country has worse human health impacts than the virus at this time. But I could be wrong.

I don't have any doubt at the end of the day the politicians and media will pat themselves on the back for these measures being taken. If the impacts of the virus get worse then it will be pretty clear, and the measures will probably go up a notch. If in a few weeks infections and deaths begin to drop and the virus goes away the narrative will be our measures saved the day. It will be years before the narrative is seriously challenged.

Wake up already. You said it yourself - only 5% of people tested are coming back positive, so the idea that there are millions of undiagnosed cases floating around is FALSE and therefore the death rate should be taken seriously. We are in the early days of the outbreak and we already have hundreds+ dying per day across the country - everyone has agreed it will get worse before it gets better - yet here you are acting surprised we're already at the point where it kills more than the flu per day.

In italy more people died from coronavirus yesterday than from heart disease + ALL FORMS OF CANCER combined (793 corona vs 750 all cancer+heart disease). That means the number one cause of death in Italy this week is coronavirus, despite the fact they've been on a national lockdown for two weeks and the virus is mostly confined to the northern part of the country. Imagine if this was running rampant throughout their society and no lockdown in place - you would be looking at thousands and thousands of deaths per day.

Since you seem to be in favor of letting this virus spread throughout the population as you don't think its more deadly than the flu, you will see millions die. This is simple math.

It will be years before the narrative is seriously challenged.

It'll never be challenged; no one ever challenges those things. And we still mock the original cargo cults as a bunch of zany savages. That's not fair.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

The truth is this: if we don't take it seriously the economic collapse will last a lot longer. If every single person in America stayed inside for 3 weeks, then we can go back to normal after 3 weeks. Instead, people will keep thinking it's not a big deal so this thing will last 6 months. 6 months of economic collapse is far worse than 3 weeks.

Not necessarily. The “flatten the curve” approach is not going to eliminate the virus, only contain it to the point where the health care system can deal with it a little at a time. It’s so infectious that it will eventually make the rounds regardless. The longer everyone stays inside, the longer this whole pandemic will take to blow over. If no measures were taken at all, COVID would rapidly infect millions of people and overwhelm the hospitals by the speed at which it would spread until the population developed herd immunity. We’re opting for dealing with all the cases over a longer period rather than in a shorter one.

At some point we will have to decide if it’s worth it to continue demolishing the economy by keeping everyone home so that we can slow—and not necessarily stop—the virus.

There will be a national shelter-in-place order sooner rather than later. All the federal agencies have been lobbying for this with the administration over the weekend. Hopefully Trump will relent and try to spin it as great leadership rather than dragging his feet to appease his base until he's forced to do it.

A bigger concern for me is the idiots blatantly disregarding the state and local orders. They're pushing us toward more heavy-handed enforcement and closures or extreme restrictions on essential services.

Slowing the progress down also allows for more time to develop a vaccine and/or cure.