The CDC released their latest flu numbers - 1,000 more died March 7 - March 14 - When will you learn?

YMMV wrote:

Russia- no shutdown

Incorrect.

Border with China was closed in late January.

Quarantine zones in Russia were created at the same time.

Russia's error was allowing travel in countries not in Asia.

The infection arrived in Russia from Italy.

That tells you Putin knew more about what the virus could do than anyone else. Almost like he created it.

Next week, when there are over 2000 deaths due to COV-19, what will be your response?

When there are over 10,000 deaths the following week, what will be your response?

That is the trend. That is why we can't just let it run it's course.

Allen53 wrote:

self isolate now wrote:

1, I doubt your numbers. 2, tons of Americans have pre-existing chronic conditions (obesity is a risk factor for covid-19). 3, it doesn't matter HOW covid-19 is causing massive hospitalizations and (soon) deaths, what matters is that a ton of preventable deaths will happen because the hospitals will be full.

Those aren't my numbers they are from the Italian Institute of Health.

You said "caused" by other conditions. That is not what the article says. It says most patients had at least one other condition.

And the most prevalent conditions it mentions are high blood pressure, diabetes, and heart disease. All of those are more common in the US than Italy! So if anything, this study should make us more pessimistic about the impact in the US.

Your inability to understand exponential growth is alarming. COVID numbers are comparatively low now, but could be catastrophic in the near future without action as deaths are a lagging indicator. COVID looks to be as harmful as H1N1, only without a vaccine to control its spread. In San Marino, where it spread unchecked early on, it has killed 0.06% of the population of that country thus far. Applying that to the US would mean 196,630 deaths if we continue to track the way that we are. Check back in two weeks and let us know how benign of a threat this is.

Ruskka wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Russia- no shutdown

Incorrect.

Border with China was closed in late January.

Quarantine zones in Russia were created at the same time.

Russia's error was allowing travel in countries not in Asia.

The infection arrived in Russia from Italy.

That tells you Putin knew more about what the virus could do than anyone else. Almost like he created it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/europe/putin-coronavirus-russia-intl/index.html

Shutdown doesn't mean borders, it means lockdown at home, most businesses closed etc..Basic shutdown of economy.

Russia---no shutdown.

Facts Matter? wrote:

Next week, when there are over 2000 deaths due to COV-19, what will be your response?

First of all, you have no evidence that there will be 2,000 deaths next week from COVID-19. You are pulling that number straight out of your @ss. However, If next week there are over 2,000 deaths, I will once again remind you that 2,000 is still less than 23,000. I will remind you that 23,000 people have died from the flu and we haven't shut anything down.

When there are over 10,000 deaths the following week, what will be your response?

That is the trend. That is why we can't just let it run it's course.

Again, there is no evidence to support your made up number. I am giving you actual numbers. Your comments prove my point, no one really cares about the current flu deaths, they only feed off of fear from something that hasn't shown itself to be as deadly. You are literally saying that 23,000 deaths doesn't matter and it's no big deal, but 278 deaths is more terrifying. 149 children have died from the flu since October; 5 in just the last week. No one says a word. I started talking about this in my first post on January 31. It's been a over 1 .5 months now and people are still telling me that the virus, any day now, will explode into a lethal killer. During that 1.5 months the flu has been steadily killing roughly 1,000 per week, every week. Someone said that the flu curve was flat so apparently there is no fear in a serial killer as long as he's consistent with his numbers.

No one can dispute my numbers because they are indisputable. Everything I say come's straight from the CDC. People choose what to be afraid of, no matter how irrational it is. This coronavirus panic is irrational, even more glaringly demonstrated by the current state of the flu virus in the USA.

The flu kills more and if the amount of deaths isn't the correct way to measure the destructiveness of a virus, I don't know what is. Scratch that. If the ability to cause fear and panic is the correct way to measure the destructiveness of a virus, COVID-19 wins hands down.

I'm baffled as to why people still can't understand.

YMMV wrote:

Ruskka wrote:

Incorrect.

Border with China was closed in late January.

Quarantine zones in Russia were created at the same time.

Russia's error was allowing travel in countries not in Asia.

The infection arrived in Russia from Italy.

That tells you Putin knew more about what the virus could do than anyone else. Almost like he created it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/europe/putin-coronavirus-russia-intl/index.html

Shutdown doesn't mean borders, it means lockdown at home, most businesses closed etc..Basic shutdown of economy.

Russia---no shutdown.

^ Stupidest poster on this thread.

Nearly 1000 die every week in the US on the wrong end of a gun. 20,000 die every week from cancer and heart disease. Let's outlaw fried food and sweets and alcohol and cigarettes. Let's mandate exercise. We can save more lives than by shutting down the country for Covid 19.

Why do you start a new thread to troll every day. I get isolation is boring, but there are better things to do. Anyway I will join in because I'm bored too: These are additional deaths! Not replacing other deaths! The extra strain on the system is unacceptable. Italy now has almost 10x more COVID-19 deaths per day than flu deaths. Would you accept that?

Facts Matter wrote:

The flu kills more and if the amount of deaths isn't the correct way to measure the destructiveness of a virus, I don't know what is. Scratch that. If the ability to cause fear and panic is the correct way to measure the destructiveness of a virus, COVID-19 wins hands down.

I'm baffled as to why people still can't understand.

2000 will die next week alone from Cov-19. 10,000 will likely die the following week. Over 25,000 the week after. Exponential growth. All the social distancing won't impact the # of deaths for a few weeks. Everyone that is dying now was infected before all the closures.

Facts Matter? wrote:

2000 will die next week alone from Cov-19. 10,000 will likely die the following week. Over 25,000 the week after. Exponential growth. All the social distancing won't impact the # of deaths for a few weeks. Everyone that is dying now was infected before all the closures.

Congrats, you get today's Nostradumbass award!

Facts Matter? wrote:

Next week, when there are over 2000 deaths due to COV-19, what will be your response?

When there are over 10,000 deaths the following week, what will be your response?

That is the trend. That is why we can't just let it run it's course.

We will see.

Facts Matter? wrote:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

Oh wow, look, pretty colors on a graph, it must mean something very important.

I tend to not get my viral spread information from some guy that's an engineer and MBA. If you have noticed, I've been quoting FACTS, not models or predictions and my source is The CDC.

See you in a week.

Please make sure to come back and collect your rewards.

I think everyone should watch the video by PBS that someone posted in one of the threads. That video explains really well about exponential growth.

Basically, with exponential growth, it’s basically fine and nothing is wrong for the majority of time, then boom, the numbers get so big in such a short amount of time that it’s impossible to react at that time.

Example in the PBS video shows that if each lily pad multiplied by 2 , so the first day, there’s 1 lilypad, second day, there are 2 lily pads. On third day, there are 4 lily lads. On fourth day, there are 8 lily pads. Let’s say that there is a very very large pond that it takes 60 days to cover the entire pond. Then on day 59, how much of the pond is covered by lily pads? Only half is covered. On day 58, only 1/4 of the pond is covered. So, the lily pad over producing was not an issue for the the first 55 or 56 days, but by 57 days, it becomes a huge issue very quickly.

I don't understand why everyone is tanking the economy because of the coronavirus.

Obesity kills 40,000 Americans a year.

Car accidents claim 39,000 Americans a year.

Heart disease kills 10,000 Americans a year.

Coronavirus killed what, like 150 Americans?

[quote]exponential growth wrote:

I think everyone should watch the video by PBS that someone posted in one of the threads. That video explains really well about exponential growth.

Basically, with exponential growth, it’s basically fine and nothing is wrong for the majority of time, then boom, the numbers get so big in such a short amount of time that it’s impossible to react at that time.

If that applies here

Exponential growth. There were 75 confirmed Coronavirus cases 3 weeks ago. Now there are over 20,000.

The number of deaths is following a similar trajectory.

Ruskka wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Shutdown doesn't mean borders, it means lockdown at home, most businesses closed etc..Basic shutdown of economy.

Russia---no shutdown.

^ Stupidest poster on this thread.

^Triggered the poster on this thread with the pre-existing condition of veganism.