99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

Trying to make yourself feel better? It's not a good way to go. Some of those 79 year olds would have lived 20 more years. How would you like it if you did all the right healthy things, got to 79, still could go do stuff, still had your smarts, still had good health, and then you get Coronavirus and die? Not all 79 year olds have one foot in the grave.

Are you saying it's ok that mostly old people are dying from this? It starts with a fever and tiredness and progresses to respiratory illness that for many requires they go on a ventilator. They have to seriously sedate you to be on a ventilator.

No need to look to Italy anyway. Hospitals here in the US say there are plenty of people under age 40 who have had to be hospitalized due to this virus.

Kenpo wrote:

Trying to make yourself feel better? It's not a good way to go. Some of those 79 year olds would have lived 20 more years. How would you like it if you did all the right healthy things, got to 79, still could go do stuff, still had your smarts, still had good health, and then you get Coronavirus and die? Not all 79 year olds have one foot in the grave.

Are you saying it's ok that mostly old people are dying from this? It starts with a fever and tiredness and progresses to respiratory illness that for many requires they go on a ventilator. They have to seriously sedate you to be on a ventilator.

No need to look to Italy anyway. Hospitals here in the US say there are plenty of people under age 40 who have had to be hospitalized due to this virus.

So tens of millions of healthy people must lose their jobs?

Coming up on 10 days since the Italian lockdown started. Within 4 days the spread should come to a dead halt. But with the average incubation period of 5 days, their rate of case growth should have slowed down already.

Either lockdowns don't work, or there are more infected out there than even that study thinks. More like a million than 100,000.

Kenpo wrote:

Trying to make yourself feel better? It's not a good way to go. Some of those 79 year olds would have lived 20 more years. How would you like it if you did all the right healthy things, got to 79, still could go do stuff, still had your smarts, still had good health, and then you get Coronavirus and die? Not all 79 year olds have one foot in the grave.

Are you saying it's ok that mostly old people are dying from this? It starts with a fever and tiredness and progresses to respiratory illness that for many requires they go on a ventilator. They have to seriously sedate you to be on a ventilator.

No need to look to Italy anyway. Hospitals here in the US say there are plenty of people under age 40 who have had to be hospitalized due to this virus.

Dumb or being purposely obtuse, which is it?

The chances of someone under 70 without an underlying health issue dying is about 0.8%. 50% of the Italian deaths were older people with 3 or more underlying health issues. They were barley making any way.

Daaah, 80 year olds have a high possibility to die from whatever gets in their way. People fall, people get the flu and now they get Corona virus. Of course old people die.

But don't think you are invincible just because you are young.

First of all you spread the virus before you notice that you have it. And it seems that some younger people get severely sick.

So yes this Corona virus is F###ing serious!

When I was in my 50s repeatedly getting serious pneumonia with no insurance and feeling one day away from death, people were like "Whoa, that sucks for you dude". If I had the same thing now people would freak the F out. People have trouble keeping perspective on this type of thing. We must way the costs to both the aged and the younger who don't want their futures destroyed.

I see Japan (and SK to some extent) as the middle-path, Buddhist-type model for weathering this without destroying society. They are a superior cooperative culture in many ways so maybe not possible in the West.

Yes the young are immune. 99% of the cases are in people over 20. The 1% is statistically insignificant. That means about .00001% of youth will experience symptoms.

reading comprehension is guuuud. He's saying that a large number of those would have contracted the "regular" influenza and died regardless. How many? We don't know but we absolutely know that some of them would have. And yes, a large number (more than 50%?) of 79 y/o people are halfway to heaven. No, he's not saying it's ok they are dying, use the contents of your cranium and think. Most of those who died had significant underlying conditions. Those are the exact cohort that are most susceptible to mortality from the regular flu. Thus, many of these deaths would have been caused by the regular flu, in the absence of the coronavirus (or chinese virus, if you prefer).

Kenpo wrote:

...Some of those 79 year olds would have lived 20 more years. ...Not all 79 year olds have one foot in the grave.

Are you saying it's ok that mostly old people are dying from this?

Flatten the curve wrote:

Daaah, 80 year olds have a high possibility to die from whatever gets in their way. People fall, people get the flu and now they get Corona virus. Of course old people die.

But don't think you are invincible just because you are young.

First of all you spread the virus before you notice that you have it. And it seems that some younger people get severely sick.

So yes this Corona virus is F###ing serious!

I don't think you quite understand the medical information that the Italian National Institute of Health found on the deceased:

48.5% had 3 or more illnesses.

25.1% had 2 other illnesses.

75% had hypertension

35% had diabetes.

33% had heart disease.

- "People with diabetes face a higher chance of experiencing serious complications from COVID-19."

99% of the deceased have pre-existing pathologies, half with 3 or more illnesses.

Explains a lot - a devastating virus to the sickly, unhealthy older populations.

The amount of misinformation on these boards is staggering. I hope this is not exemplary for the U.S. Good luck to you all anyway, I’m happy to live in Europe these days anyway.

Might help if you say which bits you find incorrect.

Hypertension? Heart disease? Diabetes? Those percentages aren't all that far off the average values in people over 70. If this disease runs rampant in the US, with its huge population of unhealthy obese, we're going to have serious problems.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Coming up on 10 days since the Italian lockdown started. Within 4 days the spread should come to a dead halt. But with the average incubation period of 5 days, their rate of case growth should have slowed down already.

Either lockdowns don't work, or there are more infected out there than even that study thinks. More like a million than 100,000.

The problem is that lots of Italians are ignoring the lockdown

Like this guy, who wanted to play Pokémon go:

Well...i’ll try one more time because you asked so nicely.

COVID-19 is a virus that is not dangerous because of it’s death rate, but because it spreads fast and causes a significant amount of people to be hospitalized for a long time (1 week or longer). 40% of those hospitalized are younger than 55. Because of this, covid-19 causes a logistical problem in hospitals that are overflown hence choices need to be made. Meaning two things :

- elderly and people with other conditions are always more in danger but also have a higher chance of not being treated when doctors need to chose whom to treat hence more die

- a vast amount of younger people may also have lifelong effects of this disease. We don’t know yet, but thinking this is an “old-peoples”-disease is very wrong.

I have loved ones with preexisting ailments, and I have loved ones that are old. I don't want them to die.

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte’s government is evaluating whether to extend a nationwide lockdown beyond the beginning of April, daily La Stampa reported Wednesday. Italy has more than 31,500 confirmed cases of the illness.

The new study could provide insight into why Italy’s death rate, at about 8% of total infected people, is higher than in other countries.

The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.

More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

The Italian ISS has published a new report on the test-positive deceased, a few highlights :

- The median age is 80.5 years (79.5 for men, 83.7 for women).

- 10% of the deceased were over 90 years old; 90% were over 70 years old.

- At most 0.8% of the deceased had no chronic previous illnesses.

- Approx. 75% of the deceased had two or more previous illnesses, approx. 50% had three or more previous illnesses, especially heart diseases, diabetes and cancer.

- Five of the deceased were between 31 and 39 years old, all with severe previous illnesses.

- The health institute still leaves open what the examined patients died of and generally speaks of "Covid19-positive deceased".

Report in Italian here:

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_17_marzo-v2.pdf

Thanks, old sick people. Because of you, we have tanked the global economy and set back everything decades.

Does being lovesick count?

So, still 0% incidence of young people without another disease dying.

Lung damage sounds possible.

I'm minding precautions.