When I ate at a nice restaurant in Shanghai a rat came in and went under our table
When I ate at a nice restaurant in Shanghai a rat came in and went under our table
How many outbreaks of viruses traced back to wild animal markets or even domesticated animals markets do we have to have before people realize something drastic has to be done??
Front end measures vs back end measures
The whole world is turned upside down...chaos mass disruption
Only thing worse would be nuclear war...
everyone needs to stop eating meat
No connection to the markets. This has been very widely reported
Look at the viruses that when they break out...all the finger pointing goes to Will animal farms livestock practices or wet farms...
It’s like the first place they know to look...
This isn’t rocket science
Wild animal
son of nietzche wrote:
How many outbreaks of viruses traced back to wild animal markets or even domesticated animals markets do we have to have before people realize something drastic has to be done??
Front end measures vs back end measures
The whole world is turned upside down...chaos mass disruption
Only thing worse would be nuclear war...
Yes, these markets are crazy dangerous for the entire world. Truly unfathomable in our scientific supposedly enlightened world we continue to allow them. But then again people will always be doing dumb obviously harmful sh*t I suppose.
I have been saying this since day 1..........somebody in some 3rd world country goes out and feels the need to kill some bat or lizard and then sell it to someone. Then eat it without sanitary precautions then boom: months later the world ends.
I am all for closing down our borders and making it hard to get in
I'm not certain who I despise most: religious nuts who think prayer, warm weather, and God's annointed ruler DJT will miraculously cause the virus to disappear or Chinese people that eat bat soup because it is purported to bring you good luck, fiscal prosperity, and strong erections?
Science, not superstitions FFS!
The entire globe brought to its knees...collapse of civilization lockdown quarantine food panic buying plunging markets illness death despair...
Vs eating a bowl of bar soup or camel dick or pangolin scales...
This is pure insanity!!!!!
Back end solution (global slowdown) vs front end ban these livestock markets and trade
not true
crumpolina wrote:
I'm not that convinced it's truly how it started.
Look at what facilities are in Wuhan.
The National Biosafety Laboratory (which is a level 4 facility).
The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is the only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens like SARS and Ebola.
It opened in 2015.
All it would take is one person, for whatever reason, to release something like that locally - and what better place than a market?
In 2015 the University of North Carolina was bioengineering CoronaVirus strains that could infect humans. The lethal strains were made from sample collected in Wuhan, China.
The supposed reason was to develop vaccines for a lethal virus that did not exist. This makes no sense at all. Why take a 12-monkeys risk?
A few days ago that lab cried: There was "no evidence that the SARS-CoV-2 virus escaped from a lab." .... LOL ... Coronavirus has been around for millennia, and been around humans for millennia.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502simple answer wrote:
everyone needs to stop eating meat
and that's that! how can people be so ignorant, cut the meat ASAP!
dark cloud wrote:
son of nietzche wrote:
It’s no wonder military powers invest in biological weapons...
Look at the devastation that these things bring
It’s not a bio wep, moran.
Biological weapons leave the theatre of conflict in 5-7 days to allow invading forces in.
Corona virus will be here a little bit longer.
Unique theory. Source?
The USA could drop Napalm on the entire planet and wipe out all wild animals. Would that solve the problem?
Bob schul country wrote:
I have been saying this since day 1..........somebody in some 3rd world country goes out and feels the need to kill some bat or lizard and then sell it to someone. Then eat it without sanitary precautions then boom: months later the world ends.
I am all for closing down our borders and making it hard to get in
Kind of like when Europeans invaded this continent and brought with them their nasty diseases that killed the natives. If they didn't die of disease, they were killed by racial violence perpetrated by the whites. Maybe the natives should have closed their borders to whites.
That's "Nietzsche," son.
Thanks to the neoliberal rush to globalize the economy, China has vacuumed up much of the manufacturing that used to take place in the US and Europe. In turn, China has become a major investor in government debt in the US and Europe. As China has ascended, it has become less interested in responding to concerns in the West about human rights abuses, N, Korea and the conflict over the South China Sea. Even under the pressure of tariffs, the Chinese barely budged in trade negotiations.
China could eliminate wet markets and exotic animal trade in a weekend. You cannot post a picture of Winnie the Pooh on the internet in China. The Chinese government could easily crack down on wet markets. But they do not have to because they do not care what the West thinks and they are capable of bringing outbreaks under control.
Hopefully, the shock to the world economy will finally convince companies to end the globalization of the manufacturing supply chain. That may get China back on to its heels where countries can dictate demands on human rights and food hygiene to keep this from happening again.
Neta wrote:
Worked in Beijing for 3 yrs a few years back. I can make a few observations.
* The Chinese on the whole continue to hold on to their superstitions, so the belief on the benefits of
eating exotic animals will die hard. I used see people selling hawks and other various live birds on the street and wondered why anyone would want buy one.
* The level cleanliness in the streets was appalling. As I gathered from talking to my Chinese colleagues it was ok to throw trash since someone else will eventually clean it up. Of course, this someone doesn't exist. The smell of an open sewer was over-powering at times.
* The government is just as happy to have people die since they have a population problem. The government controls the tobacco, which kills a million people a year along with being very profitable. I doubt very much this Wuhan Flu will match those numbers.
* The West initiated industrialization and its concomitant environmental degradation. The Chinese now are the world's largest carbon emitters and will no doubt finish it. Banning plastic bags or driving a Tesla is not going to cut it when 1.3 billion have no interest in protecting the environment. Again pollution will kill more there than this virus.
Make no mistake, I really admire the Chinese and enjoyed my time learning there the language and culture. But they need some how to clean up their act over there.
And yet they have toilet paper in their supermarkets!