Vulnerable people are at risk.
The end.
Vulnerable people are at risk.
The end.
Facts Matter wrote:
c7runner7 wrote:
Lol, it’s amazing how people can be so confident. I will say, I think the death rates are likely lower than initially reported because we don’t know how many actual cases there are. So that argument seems logical. But it’s not a fact. We’re admitting we DONT KNOW how many actually cases there are- so yes, you can say you Can’t definitively prove death rates are higher than the flu... but you also can’t say that death rates are equal or lower to the flu. We don’t know how much it’s spread or how much it could spread. That’s the whole point-we don’t know so are taking precautions. Literally every major country in the world is taking precautions-some pretty extreme. Many posters seem to think the entire world is just a bunch of idiots. Literally, the entire world has health officials that are completely incompetent? That’s what you really think? That China, Italy. All of Europe, The Middle East, and the US is full of complete dummies. I’m communicating this through a phone using the Internet. You know why? Because some people are crazy smart, experts in their field of study, and invented all this.. Yet every single expert in medicine is an idiot? All of them? They transplant hearts, operate on the brain, eradicated diseases with vaccines, etc. but they’re all completely incompetent when it comes to interpreting the potential spread/impact of an infectious disease? Seriously, how can you possibly believe that? Lol, I think it’s fine to question the death rates and wonder if some of this is overreacting- I tend to question everything too instead of blindly believing- but to say that the entire world is without- a-doubt wrong when you can’t factually prove anything?? That’s just not logical-and there’s literally nothing you can say to make it logical because you can’t factually prove anything. All you can do is keep repeating that not that many people have died yet... yeah, hopefully it stays that way.
So you think that people waiting in line at Costco, for 2 hours, fighting for toilet paper, stockpiling, paper towels and hand sanitizer when soap and water will do, and all the other crazy sh!t people are doing, is rationale? Do you think this behavior makes sense when there are only 43 deaths from the coronavirus in the USA and there are have been over 20,000 deaths from the flu? Does that make any sense to you? The panic has real life consequences. This has nothing to do with experts or what those experts say, it has to do with reality and facts.The fact is that we are in the 4th month of this outbreak. We are in the 5th month of the flu season. 43 deaths versus 20,000. You can scream from the mountain tops that the coronavirus death rate is 3, 10, or 20 times that of the flu, but the facts as they stand don't support that. They may at some point, but that's irrelevant to the point of this thread, they do not support it now. Therefore, there is no need for panic and people need to CALM THE F**K DOWN.
And a new request...
...99% of the people here need to learn how to F**king read!
Thank you!
+1
Well said.
Facts Matter wrote:
The panic has real life consequences.
Especially if it causes a recession, which would dwarf any damage either CV19 or flu could cause.
The trick is how to stop people from freaking out. To feel stable, people need to be doing things they are used to. Taking away their work and school routine leaves them adrift. If they don't find alternative things they enjoy doing, they will just freak out even more. Especially dangerous is if they start spending all their time on the internet.
Bad Wigins is a troll?
Pretends to reason sometimes, but completely ignores the actual threat to the hospital system, and just keeps waving hands in the air about magic numbers.
Russian troll?
Bad Wigins wrote:
Facts Matter wrote:
The panic has real life consequences.
Especially if it causes a recession, which would dwarf any damage either CV19 or flu could cause.
The trick is how to stop people from freaking out. To feel stable, people need to be doing things they are used to. Taking away their work and school routine leaves them adrift. If they don't find alternative things they enjoy doing, they will just freak out even more. Especially dangerous is if they start spending all their time on the internet.
Good luck with that. I just got into an argument with a nurse, whose husband is a doctor, with another woman present whose husband is also a doctor and they were telling me they know the stats etc, this is a new virus, nobody is immune blah blah blah. But it doesn't stop many more people dying from flue says I. They just ignored me, they have no answer to logical argument.
When your facts are based on severely incomplete information, that's a huge problem. The embarrassing lack of testing in the US has led to the ignorant calm the f down mentality. If you think there are only 43 deaths so far from this in the US (or whatever it is now - 50), then your head is stuck in the sand. A lockdown like what happened in China might happen here (people stuck in their homes for a month and a half), and for some, they like to be very prepared in case they need to be in a long quarantine. For me, I'm pretty calm about the whole thing, but telling people to calm the f down doesn't work either. I used to be a "look at the flu" guy - back in late Jan, then I snapped out of it.
Facts Matter wrote:
We are in the 5th month of the flu season. 43 deaths versus 20,000. You can scream from the mountain tops that the coronavirus death rate is 3, 10, or 20 times that of the flu, but the facts as they stand don't support that. They may at some point, but that's irrelevant to the point of this thread, they do not support it now. Therefore, there is no need for panic and people need to CALM THE F**K DOWN.
Also, you sound really stressed out. Deep breaths. Namaste.
Facts Matter wrote:
CALM THE F**K DOWN!
Facts Matter wrote:
I Believe in Science wrote:
In other countries, thousands are being tested in a matter of hours. Here, the presidential administration restricts testing, so even sick people can not determine whether they have this illness or not. Why? So the number of American cases look small and people like the OP can make inane arguments about the flu affecting more people than COVID.
Who are the sheep here? If you don't believe this is a bigger problem than the seasonal flu, then good luck, because sheering season has arrived.
You are the sheep and you cannot read. I did not say that the flu affects more people in the USA than COVID-19, I said it kills more people than COVID-19. If you were smart enough to follow along, it doesn't matter how many people have been infected by COVID-19, I happen to believe it's already in the millions. What you are too stupid to realize is that you are again proving my point. If so many people are infected with COVID,-19, far more than has been tested or reported as you seem to believe, how come so few have died? Do you believe we are hiding deaths and people are dropping dead without anyone knowing? Why are we saying it's so deadly with a 3% death rate and at the same time saying it's bigger than we know and there are way more infections. Both cannot be true. With the flu, there are dead people... lots of them. 20,000 is more than 43, that makes it more deadly. It's called elementary school math.
I swear to God people are getting stupider and stupider, and you should be their leader!
So what are your qualifications in medicine and epidemiology in particular?
Watch this
ferblerbled wrote:
When your facts are based on severely incomplete information, that's a huge problem. The embarrassing lack of testing in the US has led to the ignorant calm the f down mentality. If you think there are only 43 deaths so far from this in the US (or whatever it is now - 50), then your head is stuck in the sand.
There will be huge numbers infected soon, if not already. But only old and very weak people dying.
So the mortality rate which is being hyped up by irresponsible people in the medical profession, is very irresponsible.
Trumpanzees are gonna force us into healthcare for all with their incompetence. It’s hilarious & long overdue.
That video was really good. Not-so-surprising ending with the government choosing the rich/powerful over the interests of the many.
We need to take this thing seriously. We can be upset as runners to not get to race but the only way to prevent this from spreading is social isolation. We're going to see this thing spike in the next few weeks. Our government is not equipped. Our hospitals are not equipped. It was the right decision to cancel large event/gatherings/sports. This thing should get better over the summer but there probably won't be a vaccine by next winter. We can expect this to come back again. Just gotta be smart & make good decisions for the time being.
Let's tell it like it is wrote:
Facts Matter wrote:
So you think that people waiting in line at Costco, for 2 hours, fighting for toilet paper, stockpiling, paper towels and hand sanitizer when soap and water will do, and all the other crazy sh!t people are doing, is rationale? Do you think this behavior makes sense when there are only 43 deaths from the coronavirus in the USA and there are have been over 20,000 deaths from the flu? Does that make any sense to you? The panic has real life consequences. This has nothing to do with experts or what those experts say, it has to do with reality and facts.The fact is that we are in the 4th month of this outbreak. We are in the 5th month of the flu season. 43 deaths versus 20,000. You can scream from the mountain tops that the coronavirus death rate is 3, 10, or 20 times that of the flu, but the facts as they stand don't support that. They may at some point, but that's irrelevant to the point of this thread, they do not support it now. Therefore, there is no need for panic and people need to CALM THE F**K DOWN.
And a new request...
...99% of the people here need to learn how to F**king read!
Thank you!
+1
Well said.
Poorly said and trying to keep up with the dizzying speed that some of the people who seem too be intentionally spreading misleading information is impossible. Is Facts Matter a paid troll or just someone off their rocker? This message board is just horrible - goodbye, I tried.
ledi wrote:
Let's tell it like it is wrote:
+1
Well said.
Poorly said and trying to keep up with the dizzying speed that some of the people who seem too be intentionally spreading misleading information is impossible. Is Facts Matter a paid troll or just someone off their rocker? This message board is just horrible - goodbye, I tried.
No, it's alarmist idiots like you who are off their rocker. Goodbye and good riddance.
Facts Matter,
I am genuinely curious about your personal handling of the situation.
Have schools in your area been forced closed? Are you still going to work? Did you purchases more groceries than normal this week?
I'm not trying to incite you I am just curious if you have been forced to make any changes.
So the world is over-reacting despite the WHO calling COVID-19 a "pandemic" and even the tardy Trump administration declaring a national state of emergency.
Ignorance comes in many forms but Facts Matter chooses the guise of superior learning to the world's leading epidemiologists. But it is still ignorance. With a subtstantial dose of egotism.
hart crane wrote:
Facts Matter,
I am genuinely curious about your personal handling of the situation.
Have schools in your area been forced closed? Are you still going to work? Did you purchases more groceries than normal this week?
I'm not trying to incite you I am just curious if you have been forced to make any changes.
I can't speak for the OP, but a sense of proportion is required. I was very ill last year with something similar. So were many of my friends and work mates. How many died from this illness. We all had some form of pneumonia I believe.
Closing schools is only going to make matters worse in my opinion.
I don't believe that any of my friends and workmates under 70 are going to die from this Sars related virus. But many of us will likely be infected.
This thread is hilarious. You have 3 people (Allen, Facts Matter, and Wigins) who are clearly argumentative contrarians who only acknowledge absolute numbers and their opinions, versus trends, reasoned analysis and opinions from the WHO. Yet, you all argue incessantly with them as if they will change their minds.
They have very strong, dim-witted opinions. As such, there will no argument made that can change their minds. Even if the entire world went on a 1 year lockdown where no one death left the house, they would come back after a year and say “not that many people died, see.”
Do not argue with them. Don’t. Save yourself research, articles, country benchmarks for people who are open to them.
Facts Matter, it seems you are being contrarian simply to argue. Or you’re trolling.
Nonetheless, I will listen to scientists, epidemiologists, doctors, and other experts over a letsrun poster. It’s tough to take you seriously.
On another note: no one is advocating people should panic. That is just a side effect of fear.
I'm confused about this virus, how it spreads and how easily it spreads. The Utah Jazz players live in close proximity to each other, they shower, sleep, eat, sweat, hug, dab, high five etc...yet only 2 players have it and as of now their opponents havent been infected. Is the virus not detected yet or is it harder to transmit than we think?