Calm the F**K Down! - What is wrong with everyone?

agip wrote:

Iran had a goodish day - their numbers of daily new deaths have been around the same for 3-4 days now. And their daily new cases have been around the same for 7 days.

I think they report data once per day and don't adjust it as the day goes, so that number is probably final.

The hope is that the disease burns its way through the old and weak and then stalls. This data point does not contradict that. Doesn't prove it, of course.

I'm watching closely the combined daily deaths in Iran, Italy and Spain. They seem to be slowing, which. if continued, would suggest the curve in China, Japan and SK is replicable in Europe and North America.

I'm doing the same as you, watching the numbers and keeping a sense of perspective, which, unfortunately is lacking in minds of politicians and those who follow them like sheep.

Now being reported that 20% of people admitted to hospital are between 20-44 year old. In the ICU I work at, I’ve seen 20 year olds placed on ECMO and those in there 30/40s die from COVID-19. Take a minutes to talk to anyone that currently works in an icu and they will prove to you this is not just a media driven story.

ECMO wrote:

Now being reported that 20% of people admitted to hospital are between 20-44 year old. In the ICU I work at, I’ve seen 20 year olds placed on ECMO and those in there 30/40s die from COVID-19. Take a minutes to talk to anyone that currently works in an icu and they will prove to you this is not just a media driven story.

it's tricky, right?

There are several layers of victims, so unclear which to focus on.

1) No symptoms

2) Mild symptoms

3) hospitalized

4) Intensive care

5) death.

The good news is that in the 'death' category. going by Italy's example, you'll have almost all old people, very very likely to have pre-existing conditions.

If only our leaders listened to bean counters and computer nerds like you, instead of those whose perspective includes the realization that many people are dying - including their loved ones - and economies are struggling.

agip wrote:

The good news is that in the 'death' category. going by Italy's example, you'll have almost all old people, very very likely to have pre-existing conditions.

agip, you might want to re-word that?

Also, it’s not just about mortality. Even if these young patients recover, they’ll develop fibrosis and have reduced pulmonary reserve for the rest of their lives.

Influenza A is a terrible as well. I have witnessed many patients in their 50s (which I consider young) pass away from flu. However, I personally have never seen someone in their 20s and 30s pass away from flu like I am seeing with COVID.

the world's gone mad wrote:

skeptic11 wrote:

it is the biggest con in history

It's more of a media frenzy and politicians have jumped on the band wagon. The high numbers of fatalities is happening in clusters few and far between around the world. But this seems to be irrelevant to the band wagon jumpers, who don't realize how gullible they are.

Definitely a media frenzy (ratings skyrocketing). And Trump & his high-powered coronavirus task force don't have to face the severe consequences of this shutdown that many of us Americans are facing right now. None of them will lose their jobs. None of them have to go out food scavenging every freaking day because of the empty shelves cause by all the panic & fear, all of them have access to the WH gym (paid for by the taxpayers!), and can work out while the rest of us face nationwide gym closures! None of them have the mental stress & anguish facing many Americans will the uncertainty of the economic future.

It's not the virus that should be causing mass panic & hysteria - but the Great Depression "part 2" that will follow if this shutdown is allowed to continue. Many mainstream economists have predicted unemployment to rise to 15-20 percent by this summer! (those are Great Depression numbers from the 1930s!). Economists are predicting 1 million Americans will be losing their jobs in just this upcoming week! Go look at what America was like during the Great Depression because that is a very real possibility of what's coming.

agip wrote:

ECMO wrote:

Now being reported that 20% of people admitted to hospital are between 20-44 year old. In the ICU I work at, I’ve seen 20 year olds placed on ECMO and those in there 30/40s die from COVID-19. Take a minutes to talk to anyone that currently works in an icu and they will prove to you this is not just a media driven story.

it's tricky, right?

There are several layers of victims, so unclear which to focus on.

1) No symptoms

2) Mild symptoms

3) hospitalized

4) Intensive care

5) death.

The good news is that in the 'death' category. going by Italy's example, you'll have almost all old people, very very likely to have pre-existing conditions.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR2cfhCmfjLUUJVuFO3GVlXA73rriYDZnXWNTiDJHutbV3s9zwORKuo7AiM

Whew. That's such "good news". Mainly old people are dying. That's alright, then. Have you ever wondered if you're a psychopath?

the world's gone mad wrote:

agip wrote:

The good news is that in the 'death' category. going by Italy's example, you'll have almost all old people, very very likely to have pre-existing conditions.

agip, you might want to re-word that?

You'd rather have this be like the Spanish Flu, when the main group of victims was young healthy people? It's good news for the planet that this one kills the very old and sick. It means the virus will likely not rampage through the planet like that one did. It's much easier and will cause many fewer deaths this way.

This is an anonymous running website. I would not be so blunt in person.

Armstronglivs wrote:

agip wrote:

it's tricky, right?

There are several layers of victims, so unclear which to focus on.

1) No symptoms

2) Mild symptoms

3) hospitalized

4) Intensive care

5) death.

The good news is that in the 'death' category. going by Italy's example, you'll have almost all old people, very very likely to have pre-existing conditions.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR2cfhCmfjLUUJVuFO3GVlXA73rriYDZnXWNTiDJHutbV3s9zwORKuo7AiM

Whew. That's such "good news". Mainly old people are dying. That's alright, then. Have you ever wondered if you're a psychopath?

ok so your view is that the news would be better if this disease affected the young and healthy. Even though that would kill many millions more.

Who is the psychopath here?

ECMO wrote:

Also, it’s not just about mortality. Even if these young patients recover, they’ll develop fibrosis and have reduced pulmonary reserve for the rest of their lives.

Please don't spread misinformation. Those who make a full recovery are unlikely to develop lung fibrosis.

agip wrote:

the world's gone mad wrote:

agip, you might want to re-word that?

You'd rather have this be like the Spanish Flu, when the main group of victims was young healthy people? It's good news for the planet that this one kills the very old and sick. It means the virus will likely not rampage through the planet like that one did. It's much easier and will cause many fewer deaths this way.

This is an anonymous running website. I would not be so blunt in person.

Sometimes, I agree with Armstronglivs.

this is all really interesting...you can see how knee jerk people are.

People are here, honestly claiming that the news that this kills almost all old and sick people is bad news.

Or they just want to sweep that under the carpet.

You people shock me. You really do.

That is one of the very, very best pieces of news we have. It's grizzly and hard to talk about, but it's a very, very positive fact. And I'd thnk that even if I were 80.

Understand that it's bad we have the virus. But since we DO have the virus, it's good that it has this characteristic other than Spanish Flu's characteristics.

put another way,

it's terrible that so many people are going to die.

But given the facts we have today and the death counts and the growth of deaths...it's good that these deaths seem to fall massively upon the old and sick rather than the general population.

Amazing that we can't even agree on that.

This is one of my big worries. The extra borrowing to cover the extra spending, whilst businesses fail and people lose their jobs, just so the politicians (of all parties) boost their profile and their virtue signalling.

I don't think any of them even know why it's irresponsible. They want to be seen as strong leaders, so their ego driven agenda lets them get caught up in the media frenzy.

agip wrote:

put another way,

it's terrible that so many people are going to die.

But given the facts we have today and the death counts and the growth of deaths...it's good that these deaths seem to fall massively upon the old and sick rather than the general population.

Amazing that we can't even agree on that.

Amazing that you post faster than you think.

Keep backtracking until you get to the sane rationale. Or stop posting till you have actually thought through what you want to say in a responsible way.

agip wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Whew. That's such "good news". Mainly old people are dying. That's alright, then. Have you ever wondered if you're a psychopath?

ok so your view is that the news would be better if this disease affected the young and healthy. Even though that would kill many millions more.

Who is the psychopath here?

Your rephrasing the observation, but merely changing the victim description, reinforces my point. But you would need a capacity for empathy to see that. You don't have that.

The only "good news" is that people who obviously care more about other people than you do are doing everything they can to deal with this crisis. While you jerk off to your figures.

agip wrote:

put another way,

it's terrible that so many people are going to die.

But given the facts we have today and the death counts and the growth of deaths...it's good that these deaths seem to fall massively upon the old and sick rather than the general population.

Amazing that we can't even agree on that.

Amazing that you think it's better that some people die rather than others. We clearly have much less use for the old and the sick. The Nazis used to think the same way, about expendability.

the world's gone mad wrote:

agip wrote:

put another way,

it's terrible that so many people are going to die.

But given the facts we have today and the death counts and the growth of deaths...it's good that these deaths seem to fall massively upon the old and sick rather than the general population.

Amazing that we can't even agree on that.

Amazing that you post faster than you think.

Keep backtracking until you get to the sane rationale. Or stop posting till you have actually thought through what you want to say in a responsible way.

I want you to say that it would be better news if this thing killed young healthy people.

Say that if you believe it.

If you can't say it then we are agreeing.