Tuohy not listed in any ind. events this weekend.... Is she dodging starliper/dudek?

Maybe a bit. Scared is a strong word though. Probably just some prudent planning if she thinks she is not quite fit yet.

runducoe wrote:

Tuohy is only running the DMR/4x800 this weekend. I don' get it, why isn't she running any individual events? She's the 2 time defending indoor national champion but isn't even going for the 3 peat. Is she scared of getting beat by Starliper or Dudek?

Dudek is doing 3 relays AND an individual event. She's not afraid to take on the challenge and she can make a statement and take over as the queen of distance running.

https://www.nbnationalsin.com/eprofile.php?event_id=1164&do=news&news_id=597829

Dudek is entered in all those races. Time will tell how many she runs. I think Tuohy has decided her priorities are with her team and running with them on DMR (in which they should place high) and 4x800 (will not likely place high or probably even run in a fast heat). I think in prior years she has seen that running the hard relay legs on Friday and Saturday has impacted her in Sunday individual events. So maybe she is (as many on this board have suggested) watching how much she pushes herself.

Outdoors is what counts.

There has been quite a bit of commentary on the boards that she is overtrained and races too often. I believe she reviewed this feedback with her coaches and family, so they decided to go with only 2 events at NY State meet 1500 and 4x800, and 2 events at NBIN DMR and 4x800.

It's amazing the power of these message boards.

She has raced Starliper before, and Dudek only came to the fore this past year. Before that she raced Hart in the two mile at the NBNs and Chimel numerous times.

She now has nothing to gain from these high school races. I think the goal now is to finish her high school career as stress free and attention free as possible and save the national competitive events for college. No point getting involved in a circus. (Just look at the nonsense with Cain at the Dr. Sanders.). And i think the same thinking has gone into not trying to qualify for the Trials. It has been an awful lot of pressure for a high school kid. Smart to dial that back.

No chance she qualifies for the trials.

astro wrote:

She has raced Starliper before, and Dudek only came to the fore this past year. Before that she raced Hart in the two mile at the NBNs and Chimel numerous times.

She now has nothing to gain from these high school races. I think the goal now is to finish her high school career as stress free and attention free as possible and save the national competitive events for college. No point getting involved in a circus. (Just look at the nonsense with Cain at the Dr. Sanders.). And i think the same thinking has gone into not trying to qualify for the Trials. It has been an awful lot of pressure for a high school kid. Smart to dial that back.

Someone should speak to Ian Brooks and ask him to not say too much about her on Friday night and just let the race happen.

Katelyn earned the attention based on having an historic high school career but we tend to forget that she is still just a high school kid dealing with a massive amount of expectations. By her own admission the pressure affected her and that is perfectly understandable. She has a decade+ to compete against the elite. Now she just needs to be a high school kid.

I wouldn't recommend coasting this year into the next 10 years. Most of the elite high school girls did not win national championships later in life. She should choose several of the major races to win.

I've tried to avoid talking Tuohy on here because she's just a kid...

But do you all distance lovers remember running your remaining track seasons AFTER senior year XC? XC is the premier event, and track was supplementary to that, at least for me and so many others. You have to run those track seasons knowing full well you'll be off the high school circuit in a matter of months. It's tough to keep motivation for the things you used to be motivated to do at this stage in general. College deposits are made, class rank is sealed, you don't have to do any of the clubs you once did. Basically what most seniors want in March of their senior year is to be done with classes, and spend more time out of school and with their friends. So it makes sense for any kid (I'm not talking about Katelyn here necessarily) to kind of take it easy.

Katelyn has been doing it since 7th grade. She won numerous titles by the time she was a sophomore and has an enormous target on her back since. She has lived up to it, not succumbing to pressure and getting a senior year XC national title to boot. The other girls are coming into their own a little later than Katelyn. I'm not saying that this means Katelyn is done. But it's clear that Starliper and Dudek are in a different phase of their running careers than Katelyn, and maybe they're hungry in this phase and Katelyn is looking to rest.

It's a smart move by her and her coaches

She's not only competing against the other girls, but also against her former personal bests

It's just the life of a developing female Runner that you're going to have ups and downs

She's obviously running well but she's probably three or four seconds a mile off of her best times

So what's the point? If she knows she can't satisfy unrealistic expectations?

It's better to just focus on the relays and build up strength for college!

Obviously she knows that people are going to be comparing her to her former times, and if she only wins by a little bit people won't be impressed

So there's really no upside, and it's just a lot of unrealistic expectations

Anyway when all is said and done, it's a smart move not to put yourself in that situation..

Also all athletes recover differently so maybe she's just not looking to risk injury by putting Big 3 effort races in one weekend.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Outdoors is what counts.

Very debatable. Many would say after winning state your college coach would prefer you to get ready for xc. All the star runners are never present in one race like at footlocker/nxn.

Maybe fasttuohy can confirm this, but I'm pretty sure North Rockland is going for a 5-peat for indoor nationals DMR. I can't blame her for wanting to focus on that. It's her senior year and how awesome would it be to win again with her teammates/friends.

But to say Tuohy is scared....not at all.

ric flair woooooooo wrote:

Maybe fasttuohy can confirm this, but I'm pretty sure North Rockland is going for a 5-peat for indoor nationals DMR. I can't blame her for wanting to focus on that. It's her senior year and how awesome would it be to win again with her teammates/friends.

But to say Tuohy is scared....not at all.

that is true, her only loss was as a 7th grader where she also anchored and closed a gap but could not quite win it.

ric flair woooooooo wrote:

Maybe fasttuohy can confirm this, but I'm pretty sure North Rockland is going for a 5-peat for indoor nationals DMR. I can't blame her for wanting to focus on that. It's her senior year and how awesome would it be to win again with her teammates/friends.

But to say Tuohy is scared....not at all.

I agree completely...to say Tuohy is scared is ridiculous. She has nothing to prove and has said many times her focus is on the team. Obviously besides the relays, she has decided to rest up. Maybe to have a better outdoor season....maybe to just give her time to fully rest and heal up for the future.

I fully admit that I would love to see her have a heads-up with the likes of Starliper/Dudek etc. But there will be plenty of chances for that in College. Unless I misread the lists, Dudek and Starliper are not in the same event either. Starliper/Hart / Thorvaldson/Ewert will be fun to watch in the 2mile. Too bad Dudek was not in there as well. I'm not sure there is anyone in the mile who can give Dudek a run...maybe Parks and Kurto.

Whatever the reason, Tuohy has nothing to prove. I give her full credit for doing her own thing this indoor season. Hopefully her DMR team can keep the race close to give us a bit of a showdown.

FastTuohy wrote:

ric flair woooooooo wrote:

Maybe fasttuohy can confirm this, but I'm pretty sure North Rockland is going for a 5-peat for indoor nationals DMR. I can't blame her for wanting to focus on that. It's her senior year and how awesome would it be to win again with her teammates/friends.

But to say Tuohy is scared....not at all.

that is true, her only loss was as a 7th grader where she also anchored and closed a gap but could not quite win it.

https://www.nbnationalsin.com/eprofile.php?event_id=1164&do=videos&video_id=146969

That was a great race in 2015. I've seen that before. Both Tuohy and the Impulse runner had great runs. But I have to say, the unsung hero for North Rockland that year, and in the following years was Harris who did the 1200 leg. She had been NR's anchor runner until Tuohy came along as a 8th grader. Harris shifted to the 1200 and did everything to support Tuohy going forward. Diglio referred to this several times as the turning point for that team.

Watching future races, Harris was an absolute beast at the 1200 and always kept NR near the top. Which meant Tuohy was getting the anchor baton near the lead. And obviously, no one was even close to staying with her.

2016 nbn outdoors was the best DMR race

Tuohy held off Destiny Collins, they basically ran side-by-side for the final lap

Anyway Harris was close to 4:50 in the mile and by 8th grade Tuohy could run 445. So they were pretty tough to beat with that combo. But I don't know supposedly dudek's team is really good this year. North Rockland will need some big time efforts to win

Although Kurto is a tremendous runner in her own right, she is not ready to run a lo 4:40 mile. KT will take the stick far behind. Fans love to see KT chase

Stopwatcher wrote:

2016 nbn outdoors was the best DMR race

Tuohy held off Destiny Collins, they basically ran side-by-side for the final lap

Anyway Harris was close to 4:50 in the mile and by 8th grade Tuohy could run 445. So they were pretty tough to beat with that combo. But I don't know supposedly dudek's team is really good this year. North Rockland will need some big time efforts to win

And that year they also had a 2:15 800 runner in Sydney March. It was a powerful team and that showed at that 2016 NBON where they ran 11:29.x to edge out Great Oak.