Wesleyan ladies exercise the nuclear option on coach

entitled 19 year old wrote:

Why anyone would want to become a college coach is beyond me. After what happened to Metcalf and things like this. You’re at the mercy of idiot 18-22 year olds. If they decide they don’t like you they just make up or embellish some crap to get you fired and publicly shamed.

This is an ignorant and uninformed comment. Did you read the article and the testimonies? These were not "entitled 19 year olds." They recounted consistent pressure to record all of their calories and lose weight. That is not healthy, especially on a college women's XC team. The coach was over the line. Good for these women for speaking up.

Esterhazy1 wrote:

Dear friends,

The Office of Equity & Inclusion has opened

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As more and more girls get into combat sports, this will seem like a nothing issue. The complaining will be about the crazy things fighters do to make weight, which are true but it's how they win.

Ultimately it could be solved by not having winners and losers and everyone just participates.

Uhh wrote:

Poor coaches love metrics.

And they really love easy metrics, which mostly are also bad metrics.

So: Bad coaches love bad metrics.

DanM wrote:

entitled 19 year old wrote:

Why anyone would want to become a college coach is beyond me. After what happened to Metcalf and things like this. You’re at the mercy of idiot 18-22 year olds. If they decide they don’t like you they just make up or embellish some crap to get you fired and publicly shamed.

That depends upon your place in the pecking order of the Athletic Department. The NCAA has been a cash cow scam for decades.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/march-madness-tax-exemption-inequality/

"the court concluded that the NCAA rules 'that permit, limit, or forbid student-athlete compensation and benefits do not follow any coherent definition of amateurism.' "

AND, "students" who cannot qualify academically should not be allowed into a school. Of course, the SEC would fail to be a powerhouse is football and the BIG10, Big12, and ACC would no longer be good at basketball, but at least the student athletes would be actual students, so it won't happen.

The problem her is that you have young athletes who need guidance. And there is money involved.

The kids want a discounted education. The coach is expected to win. The college wants a return on their investment. They receive pressure from boosters and leadership.

I suspect they crush way more football players than they do track and field athletes.

“The Office of Equity & Inclusion”

Gives me a shudder.

If you read the letters, you realize:

1) The coach handled this stuff terribly. In this day and age, you've got to do WAY better.

2) That being said, only an idiot would want to coach at Wesleyan. DId you see this note at the end of the letter after the asked that one xc coach be female.

Note: We define “female” as inclusive of all female-identifying people, regardless of their gender expression or sex assigned at birth. Trans women are women. In the hiring process for new coaches, we also encourage Wesleyan University to consider non-binary, agender, and gender non-conforming candidates. A coach who identifies this way, and who demonstrates an understanding of the medical and psychological issues faced by the athletes on the Women’s Cross Country team, replaces the need for a female coach as listed in demand 5. Our priority is to hire a coach who is understanding of the needs of non-male athletes, and we embrace applicants in the LGBTQ+ community who may have an even greater understanding of being part of a marginalized community and ability to support LGBTQ+ athletes.

Hounddogharrier wrote:

I read their “complaints”. I call it the victim hood of the rich . The coach says something they don’t like or they don’t do as well as they hoped and the coach has victimized them .

You always have to wonder when kids complain. But when I read your comments, I wonder if there is anything these women could say that would convince you they aren't just a bunch of entitled whiners. Is there anything their coach could do or say that would justify them complaining? Or is all complaining by definition whining?

What a disgusting thing to say. Hope you never become a coach

Elinor Purrier stated weight is 120 lb at 5'3". Seems to run pretty fast

coach is an idiot but welseyan is for crazies wrote:

If you read the letters, you realize:

1) The coach handled this stuff terribly. In this day and age, you've got to do WAY better.

BINGO! Does anyone know his story? Is he really as clueless as he comes across?

The one that got me was having them keep food diaries. My understanding is that those are tricky, even for people who are used to dealing with EDs. For him to just blithely assign them seems on par with him putting a cast on a broken leg and thinking it'll be ok.

When I was looking into colleges to run at, Wesleyan was one of the places I was considering. When I reached out to the coach, he was pretty rude and told me that while I was in the range of times they were looking for, they don't take on "injury-prone" runners because the team does not have the "time or resources" to deal with that. My "injury" was spraining my ankle a few times (they kept happening because my coaches kept having me run on them without letting the ankle heal). When I pointed out that spraining my ankle was easily remedied and didn't mean I was injury-prone, he never responded.

A few of my other teammates had negative experiences with him as well. I feel like I dodged a bullet there.

Why are people acting like all he said was "if you're at the right race weight you'll run faster"? What he did was so much more (and worse) than that. There's a big difference between losing enough weight to maximize your racing and losing weight in an unhealthy manner with no end in sight. He chose a random weight and told runners to hit that weight, and then gave them no guidelines on how to do it safely. He was literally asking to see a log of everything they ate. He wasn't qualified to be doing any of this. You can find an ideal racing weight and lose weight in a healthy way. This wasn't what happened and as a result, people developed eating disorders and got injured.

Knows Uncle Phil when he sees Uncle Phil wrote:

This place would be a lot better if all the right wing incel brigade just ST FU once in a while.

Quoted for big big truth.

entitled 19 year old wrote:

Why anyone would want to become a college coach is beyond me. After what happened to Metcalf and things like this. You’re at the mercy of idiot 18-22 year olds. If they decide they don’t like you they just make up or embellish some crap to get you fired and publicly shamed.

It's not actually that worrisome. If you don't act the way these coaches do, the team won't revolt. It really is that simple.

The problem isn't that they are "too heavy" for athletics, it's the fact that they are not strong enough in relation to their bodyweight. I always frame these things as a question of strength and force-production, altogether avoiding the pitfalls of weight discussions.

Weight-to strength ratio wrote:

The problem isn't that they are "too heavy" for athletics, it's the fact that they are not strong enough in relation to their bodyweight. I always frame these things as a question of strength and force-production, altogether avoiding the pitfalls of weight discussions.

Almost all Westerners are too big (i.e. fat) to be top distance runners. Look at the guy who was leading Bekele in the recent half marathon in Paris. He looked like a linebacker compared to Kenenisa (and Kenenisa is big for an African).