Jambo Cabao wrote:
informational wrote:
He's been a father for like 5-6 years. He's been a man for a long time now.
Yeah, and he turned 18, almost 16 years ago. He's been a man exactly that long.
13 year olds can become fathers, and 18 year olds are still called "kids."
Rupp can confidently defeat other men, that's what counts.
Do you have a source on that? I’m just curious
Things are good one one level, but if you do the math and count potential success at the games, our folks, Rupp possibly exempt, things are pretty dismal. I love our runners, but love ain't enough to get medals.
SloweRyan wrote:
I just see it as Rupp and the rest are JAGs to put it in other sports terms, Hall and Meb weren't JAGs. There is one elite men's distance runner in the US right now, only one that won't get obliterated on the world stage, 2:09 isn't competitive at the world level.
JAG as in Just Another Guy?
Rupp has 3:50/7:30/12:58/26:44 track credentials. He has two olympic medals. He's won a major marathon. He's been on the US team nine times, and has 11 US Championships between 5k/10k/Marathon. He has five individual NCAA titles. He is easily one of the best distance runners in American history.
Hall still has the unofficial Marathon AR on Rupp. That's it. Hall's track PRs of 13:16 and 28:07 aren't special. He has two US team births, one US Marathon Championship, one NCAA title.
Yeah Hall was a good marathoner, the best of his generation. He was near the front of a few majors, and broke 2:09 a few times. But you seem to be under the impression that he was the real deal, and Rupp is a pretender. It couldn't be any more opposite between them.
As for the rest of America's "best" marathoners...you're right; mostly nothing all that special. Mostly nothing that will compete for medals or wins. Mostly just trying to be "first American" in the majors. But that's been true for a long long time. It isn't that Hall's era was something special, and today is weaker. Its that Hall was by far the best of his era, and Rupp is by far the best of his own. And Rupp is by far better than Hall too.
Galen is the American GOAT. Talent is undeniable. And what about that stride... a thing of beauty - whether you like his personality or not.
Odds are that Rupp probably broke a 5:00 mile at around 12 years old, becoming a real man sometime right before Y2K.
It's definitely a cool shot. Everyone else on the line looks like they don't know if they can make it, Rupp just clear and focused. I'm sure he's visualising the race at that point, in his own headspace.
I wonder if he got in Fauble's head at that point. Fauble looks pissed in the photo and then he underperformed in the race.
Whatever. Good luck to Rupp in Tokyo. I can see him picking up another bronze. The gold belongs to Kipchoge and another Rift Valley runner will probably hang on well enough to take the silver. But if Rupp runs a steady 2:06-2:07 then enough of those Rift Valley runners will probably detonate from trying to hang onto Kipchoge. It's also why I thought Farah should have stuck with the marathon. He said he didn't think a 2:05 would get a medal which seems like he hadn't understood the history of Championship marathons.
Top reason I love the marathon is it’s unpredictability. At some point Kipchoge will have a off race. At some point it’s got to happen. Galen basically took a huge chunk of time off from racing. He is more rested and from what I can see more at peace with himself than ever before. Odds are if he remains injury free Galen is bound to have a good run of good races. I wouldn’t write him off the silver or gold yet.
macfred wrote:
[quote]Jambo Cabao wrote:
... Hall’s wind tunnel 2:04,.
I still laugh every time some moron comments about the wind. I would wager large sums of money you weren’t even there that day and have no clue. Yes, there was a tailwind. Yes, it helped the times slightly, if for no other reason than it just wasn’t a headwind. Hall was excellent.
weather expert wrote:
macfred wrote:
[quote]Jambo Cabao wrote:
... Hall’s wind tunnel 2:04,.
I still laugh every time some moron comments about the wind. I would wager large sums of money you weren’t even there that day and have no clue. Yes, there was a tailwind. Yes, it helped the times slightly, if for no other reason than it just wasn’t a headwind. Hall was excellent.
Where did I say Hall wasn't excellent? He was Awesome - he pushed the pace and made that race what it was. Just don't try to pretend like his PR is 2:04.
And to state the obvious - comparing him to Galen is LAUGHABLE.
Jambo Cabao wrote:
SloweRyan wrote:
I just see it as Rupp and the rest are JAGs to put it in other sports terms, Hall and Meb weren't JAGs. There is one elite men's distance runner in the US right now, only one that won't get obliterated on the world stage, 2:09 isn't competitive at the world level.
JAG as in Just Another Guy?
Rupp has 3:50/7:30/12:58/26:44 track credentials. He has two olympic medals. He's won a major marathon. He's been on the US team nine times, and has 11 US Championships between 5k/10k/Marathon. He has five individual NCAA titles. He is easily one of the best distance runners in American history.
Hall still has the unofficial Marathon AR on Rupp. That's it. Hall's track PRs of 13:16 and 28:07 aren't special. He has two US team births, one US Marathon Championship, one NCAA title.
Yeah Hall was a good marathoner, the best of his generation. He was near the front of a few majors, and broke 2:09 a few times. But you seem to be under the impression that he was the real deal, and Rupp is a pretender. It couldn't be any more opposite between them.
As for the rest of America's "best" marathoners...you're right; mostly nothing all that special. Mostly nothing that will compete for medals or wins. Mostly just trying to be "first American" in the majors. But that's been true for a long long time. It isn't that Hall's era was something special, and today is weaker. Its that Hall was by far the best of his era, and Rupp is by far the best of his own. And Rupp is by far better than Hall too.
Rupp is a lying, cheating sack of crap, and an embarrassment to our sport.
SloweRyan wrote:
Just wow... wrote:
Let's see if he has the cajunas to pull this stunt at the Olympics.
I don't see how sitting on the ground takes cajunas but he will be losing there so probably not
The word in CAJONES
Jambo Cabao wrote:
Yeah Hall was a good marathoner, the best of his generation.
Uh no, that would be Meb (if we are talking about best American marathoner of his generation).
runderun wrote:
It's definitely a cool shot. Everyone else on the line looks like they don't know if they can make it, Rupp just clear and focused. I'm sure he's visualising the race at that point, in his own headspace.
I wonder if he got in Fauble's head at that point. Fauble looks pissed in the photo and then he underperformed in the race.
Whatever. Good luck to Rupp in Tokyo. I can see him picking up another bronze. The gold belongs to Kipchoge and another Rift Valley runner will probably hang on well enough to take the silver. But if Rupp runs a steady 2:06-2:07 then enough of those Rift Valley runners will probably detonate from trying to hang onto Kipchoge. It's also why I thought Farah should have stuck with the marathon. He said he didn't think a 2:05 would get a medal which seems like he hadn't understood the history of Championship marathons.
All things NIKE got into the heads of the Hoka team . Shake and Bake !
Jambo Cabao wrote:
SloweRyan wrote:
I just see it as Rupp and the rest are JAGs to put it in other sports terms, Hall and Meb weren't JAGs. There is one elite men's distance runner in the US right now, only one that won't get obliterated on the world stage, 2:09 isn't competitive at the world level.
JAG as in Just Another Guy?
Rupp has 3:50/7:30/12:58/26:44 track credentials. He has two olympic medals. He's won a major marathon. He's been on the US team nine times, and has 11 US Championships between 5k/10k/Marathon. He has five individual NCAA titles. He is easily one of the best distance runners in American history.
Hall still has the unofficial Marathon AR on Rupp. That's it. Hall's track PRs of 13:16 and 28:07 aren't special. He has two US team births, one US Marathon Championship, one NCAA title.
Yeah Hall was a good marathoner, the best of his generation. He was near the front of a few majors, and broke 2:09 a few times. But you seem to be under the impression that he was the real deal, and Rupp is a pretender. It couldn't be any more opposite between them.
As for the rest of America's "best" marathoners...you're right; mostly nothing all that special. Mostly nothing that will compete for medals or wins. Mostly just trying to be "first American" in the majors. But that's been true for a long long time. It isn't that Hall's era was something special, and today is weaker. Its that Hall was by far the best of his era, and Rupp is by far the best of his own. And Rupp is by far better than Hall too.
That isn't my point at all and I'm well aware how they compare to each other, Rupp and Hall are and were legit, everyone else currently in men's US distance running is just a guy. It's why I don't get all blown away by Rupp sitting at the starting line, he won't be doing so at the Olympics where there is actual competition.
seasoned ranker wrote:
Jambo Cabao wrote:
Yeah Hall was a good marathoner, the best of his generation.
Uh no, that would be Meb (if we are talking about best American marathoner of his generation).
Hall was the fastest marathoner / half marathon of his generation, not Meb
SloweRyan wrote:
seasoned ranker wrote:
Uh no, that would be Meb (if we are talking about best American marathoner of his generation).
Hall was the fastest marathoner / half marathon of his generation, not Meb
Best != fastest times.
Meb won Boston and New York and has an Olympic silver and 4th place finish. It's not even close.
seasoned ranker wrote:
SloweRyan wrote:
Hall was the fastest marathoner / half marathon of his generation, not Meb
Best != fastest times.
Meb won Boston and New York and has an Olympic silver and 4th place finish. It's not even close.
Oh he did? I was unaware
railin gupp wrote:
Jambo Cabao wrote:
JAG as in Just Another Guy?
Rupp has 3:50/7:30/12:58/26:44 track credentials. He has two olympic medals. He's won a major marathon. He's been on the US team nine times, and has 11 US Championships between 5k/10k/Marathon. He has five individual NCAA titles. He is easily one of the best distance runners in American history.
Hall still has the unofficial Marathon AR on Rupp. That's it. Hall's track PRs of 13:16 and 28:07 aren't special. He has two US team births, one US Marathon Championship, one NCAA title.
Yeah Hall was a good marathoner, the best of his generation. He was near the front of a few majors, and broke 2:09 a few times. But you seem to be under the impression that he was the real deal, and Rupp is a pretender. It couldn't be any more opposite between them.
As for the rest of America's "best" marathoners...you're right; mostly nothing all that special. Mostly nothing that will compete for medals or wins. Mostly just trying to be "first American" in the majors. But that's been true for a long long time. It isn't that Hall's era was something special, and today is weaker. Its that Hall was by far the best of his era, and Rupp is by far the best of his own. And Rupp is by far better than Hall too.
Rupp is a lying, cheating sack of crap, and an embarrassment to our sport.
His bank account would suggest otherwise.
railin gupp wrote:
Jambo Cabao wrote:
JAG as in Just Another Guy?
Rupp has 3:50/7:30/12:58/26:44 track credentials. He has two olympic medals. He's won a major marathon. He's been on the US team nine times, and has 11 US Championships between 5k/10k/Marathon. He has five individual NCAA titles. He is easily one of the best distance runners in American history.
Hall still has the unofficial Marathon AR on Rupp. That's it. Hall's track PRs of 13:16 and 28:07 aren't special. He has two US team births, one US Marathon Championship, one NCAA title.
Yeah Hall was a good marathoner, the best of his generation. He was near the front of a few majors, and broke 2:09 a few times. But you seem to be under the impression that he was the real deal, and Rupp is a pretender. It couldn't be any more opposite between them.
As for the rest of America's "best" marathoners...you're right; mostly nothing all that special. Mostly nothing that will compete for medals or wins. Mostly just trying to be "first American" in the majors. But that's been true for a long long time. It isn't that Hall's era was something special, and today is weaker. Its that Hall was by far the best of his era, and Rupp is by far the best of his own. And Rupp is by far better than Hall too.
Rupp is a lying, cheating sack of crap, and an embarrassment to our sport.
Your post reminded me of something else: the picture of those 2 guys holding a "rupp cheat" sign. Ironically, you and those 2 guys are an embarrassment to our sport. Why would you falsely accuse someone? That is deplorable.
Rupp won the race.