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Thanks Raggedman! In most cases a great shoe is a great shoe for the young and fast and the older and slower. Glad all can now enjoy more cushioned leg saving fast marvels. I started road racing in the 70’s in shoes such as the Tiger Marathon and other pretty minimal hard shoes and couldn’t walk after marathons for a week! Did run pretty fast including a 2:37 in HS though. multi tester TC review is here: https://www.roadtrailrun.com/2020/02/new-balance-fuelcell-tc-multi-tester.html

Thanks for the great reviews. All I know is that I trust your insight and knowledge and plenty of the well known reviewers regard you as an OG.

old midpack sam wrote:

Thanks Raggedman! In most cases a great shoe is a great shoe for the young and fast and the older and slower. Glad all can now enjoy more cushioned leg saving fast marvels. I started road racing in the 70’s in shoes such as the Tiger Marathon and other pretty minimal hard shoes and couldn’t walk after marathons for a week! Did run pretty fast including a 2:37 in HS though. multi tester TC review is here:

https://www.roadtrailrun.com/2020/02/new-balance-fuelcell-tc-multi-tester.html

Even for us in high school back then, the Tiger "marathon" was real head-scratcher. A marathon in these pieces of crap?! They were OK for off-pavement easy runs, but for roads we went to the Cortez (clunk!) or the Bostons (even they were a bit skimpy). I ran my first marathon in HS in '75 but dang me if I can remember what I wore. Maybe Nike Elites?

Stevve wrote:

Roadtrailrun also reviewed them, but you can only get so much info on a speed trainer when it's an old dude plodding around at 8:30/mile in the snow reviewing them.

Cheers,

Stevve

That old dude has ran 2:28. I trust him and his reviews are straight forward!

I for one plan to get my hands on and try all of the Vaporfly competition.

I was a participant in the first GVSU study and was a “responder” - 5.58% more efficient in the Vaporfly (original) vs. the Adios 3.

For reference, I was 3.2% more efficient in the VF than in the Sub2.

None of this was terribly surprising to me - I have touchy feet which are far too sensitive in tight shoes - especially those with a lot of junk at midfoot on the sides. This is, sadly, why I can pretty much write off Adidas forever ... those three stripes need to be there causing me pain on everything they make.

That said: I would’ve kept buying Vaporflys even if they had been banned from competition. Nothing else has yet come close to keeping my legs fresh - I can run a sub-3 marathon in them and still run 50 miles the week after. (My first 3-hour in Clifton 1s put me out for a week entirely.)

Sam: your comparison of the TC to the ZF Flyknit has me most intrigued here. I’ve started putting on 70+ miles per week and ran about 2,000 miles in ZFs last year — and an alternative to buying every pair I can find now would be great !

My HS 2:37 was in an adidas of some sort. Not much shoe but a bit more than the Tiger. My PR in 1981 was in the Air Mariah, a very advanced shoe for the time.

Wobby, I am with you. Fresh legs late or all the way in races= faster times and then rapid recovery after in VF is just amazing and wonderful for..any runner who actually moves along. This said VF are not easy jogging or every day trainers for most given geometry more than anything else. Too much repetition never a good thing and here particularly so. Applies to ZF as well or really any more rigid shoe I think, Those who want the punishment on the body, the long recoveries can stay "pure" and that is fine. The IAAF limit has been set and the competition is on the way which is great.

Fuel Cell TC at least for me a far more stable, fast, and better cushioned faster trainer than any ZF.

jesus, again. The energy return in the vaporfly does not happen without the pebax foam. i don't know why all these companies think they can make a competitor by sticking a plate in whatever foam they used before. adidas, brooks, nb. Who's next. You can't do it without pebax

they aren't even trying wrote:

jesus, again. The energy return in the vaporfly does not happen without the pebax foam. i don't know why all these companies think they can make a competitor by sticking a plate in whatever foam they used before. adidas, brooks, nb. Who's next. You can't do it without pebax

Yup. This is why I'm not excited about the New Balances. Fuelcell foam is pretty similar to React, so they just made a more expensive Zoom Fly.

Reebok uses pebax in their Floatrides. They should take a stab at it.

Have to agree (and I’d assume Reebok will come out with something, considering they’re often at the forefront of racing gear, though I haven't heard anything yet).

You guys really know what you're talking about. You should be working in product.

Again with that terrible upper...

>It is very accommodating and close to too loose,

I hate that the most on the rebels. Someone needs to come out with a 'stability' ish "next gen" trainer.

they aren't even trying wrote:

jesus, again. The energy return in the vaporfly does not happen without the pebax foam. i don't know why all these companies think they can make a competitor by sticking a plate in whatever foam they used before. adidas, brooks, nb. Who's next. You can't do it without pebax

is this a new foam in the NB?

Pebax is goid but it can't be the only good foam. Others must be just as good.

With NB fuel cell TC, I think it’s a new type of foam ...it feels awesome but different from other fuelcell, and I really like it. It’s Very very similar to feel to 4% but I liked the fit a lot better. Knocked out 12 miles in it this morning (on the road) and started rolling the last 3 miles, felt easy and legs feel great after.

all day i dream about shoes wrote:

Again with that terrible upper...

>It is very accommodating and close to too loose,

I hate that the most on the rebels. Someone needs to come out with a 'stability' ish "next gen" trainer.

I think that is what Brooks is trying to do with the Tempo and Elite might want to check those out

New Balance is also using Pebax® technology (source: pebaxpowered -> running)

"The EC version will be available to order online at NewBalance.com on 3/24" -> Did someone see the EC in the onlineshop?

Nope. No one has to rush to get shoes out anymore with all the races and Olympics getting delayed/cancelled.

Got mine today... They are pretty comfortable overall. And I think I was about 20-30seconds faster per km at a similar (perceived) effort in my previous shoes.