well actually wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
You don't have to eliminate the female division. You only have to replace the male division with open division. Juniors and masters are allowed to compete in the open division, but not vice versa. So you should allow anyone in the open division, including cis women if they choose to. Trans athletes can be treated as "girls" (or someone in transition) competing in the open division, instead of being treated as boys. Moni Davis played in the Little League WS. Michelle Wie and Annika Sorenstam competed in PGA events. So there is nothing wrong with females competing against males in the open division.
That way, you satisfy the trans athletes right to participate and still preserve the competitive fairness of the protected division.
Ya, the problem is this precedent of having "male" and "female" categories and expecting that only men compete in the "male" category, and that all women compete in this "female" category. If we stopped expecting this, then a transwomen would not feel like she needs to be in the "female" category in order to feel womanly. If we just base heats on seed times, rather than gender, and then offer rewards after for top female in the results, we would not have to worry about this at all.
This is not any different than the current system. The transgender athlete would still be a female, so she would get the top female award.
Stop trying to over-complicate it. Let the girl run with the girls.
They are not a real girl, get over it.
Crudely said but otherwise correct. I believe there is research (too lazy to look it up but based on an NPR thing I heard) that strongly suggests that hormone treatment isn't enough. The muscle mass and bone density as well as various other post-puberty physical developments of a male (and let's say this is a true XY male with no intersex or other such conditions) will always provide a significant potential athletic advantage that a woman could not conceivably achieve.
In my opinion, the ultimate issue is on whether or not competition in sport is human right. Another fascinating aspect of this is women who transition to men an take testosterone because it raises a lot of questions regarding "safe" doping and TUE usage.