High Schoolers going for Fast Times this Weekend

astro wrote:

Just curious. How do they figure that is no. 2 all time at 3200? Presumably they mean indoor. But off the top of my head Cain, Tuohy, Hart and Starliper have run the indoor distance faster.

I think the answer is most of the ones you mention were in 2 mile races not 3200 m races. Milesplit says Dudek is #2 (at 3200 m) behind just Brie Oakley. This is where these performance list rankings get silly. But I don't think Hart or Starliper have run quite that fast yet at either 3200 or 2 miles indoors. Clearly Starliper just bettered that with her 3000.

In Milesplit's article on the race they say

Dudek's conversion to 2-miles equates to roughly 10:00.18, which would rank eighth all-time on the charts, behind efforts from current standouts such as Katelyn Tuohy (9:51.05), Marlee Starliper (9:58.22) and Katelynne Hart (9:58.42).

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Starliper ran that 9:58 last year in the women's USATF championship.

2 miles is 3218.6 meters, so it seems pointless to talk about a 3200 meter record without including times run in route in 2 mile races.

If you include 3000 m times converted at 1.08 and 3200 m times converted at 1.0058 get the following times adjusted to 2 miles:

So 2 becomes 8 become 10 (or 9 w/o Efraimson)

1) Cain 9:38.7

2) Efraimson 9:43.4 oversize track

3) Tuohy 9:45.1

4) Starliper 9:50.9

5) Fairchild 9:55.9

6) Oakley 9:56.06

7) Cuffe 9:56.9

8) Murphy 9:58.4

9) Hart 9:58.4

10) Dudek 10:00

fastTuohy wrote:

10:06 today for Thorvaldson

What is the conversion down to sea level? Definitely sub-10:00, probably closer to 9:55? Pocatello sits at about 4,500’.

10-12 seconds seems about right, so yes she likely belongs on the list. Last year after 10:19 at Simplot Games she ran 10:01 I think at New Balance Nationals

GoWyo wrote:

fastTuohy wrote:

10:06 today for Thorvaldson

What is the conversion down to sea level? Definitely sub-10:00, probably closer to 9:55? Pocatello sits at about 4,500’.

Should have been a long jumper!

But seriously Sydney thorvaldson looks great, considering she ran a prelim and a finals at the 3200 that weekend

Also those lists don't put up multiple efforts by the same athlete, or multiple top times by the same athlete

Katelynne Tuohy ran a 958 2 mile the year before at New Balance Nationals. I'm sure some of those other girls might have run multiple fast times as well, Mary Cain, Bree Oakley

Also a lot of states don't have much of an indoor season so if you take into account top times indoor and outdoor, and have multiple times from the same runners probably around 40th or 50th all time. If you add in all the conversions

Anyway still really good time. Dudek's running great. Starliper looks really strong as well as thorvaldson

We'll see what Tuohy is able to put together at the end of the season. It'll be a fun race if they all ran the 2-mile at New Balance National indoors.

GoWyo wrote:

fastTuohy wrote:

10:06 today for Thorvaldson

What is the conversion down to sea level? Definitely sub-10:00, probably closer to 9:55? Pocatello sits at about 4,500’.

Here is what dyestat said

In the final, Thorvaldson tore out after a quick early pace and went through the first 200 in 33 seconds. She was at 4:55 at 1,600 meters and the need to constantly move out to lane 2 to pass lapped runners had to add to the effort. Her time would adjust to 9:53.68 at sea level, which converts to a 9:57.12 2-mile effort.

I suspect the priority at Nationals for both will be relays, especially Dudek who has a team that could win both DMR and 4x800.

Pretty sure Dudek will be at the top of the list by the end of the season.

Thanks for the update

fasterTuohy wrote:

Pretty sure Dudek will be at the top of the list by the end of the season.

You really think she's going to knock 22 seconds off her 2 mile time in a couple of weeks

Especially with running all those relays as well

What do you base that on?

fasterTuohy wrote:

Pretty sure Dudek will be at the top of the list by the end of the season.

The question from me is how comfortable did Dudek look running the 9:56 3200 m the other day. I have not seen splits or a video for that race.

race of the century wrote:

Katelynne Tuohy ran a 958 2 mile the year before at New Balance Nationals. I'm sure some of those other girls might have run multiple fast times as well, Mary Cain, Bree Oakley

That was sophomore year and recall she ran 4:39 DMR leg Friday, 2:09 SMR leg Saturday before running the 2 mile on Sunday.

Last year she had the remnants of her "suicidal" DMR leg (63/70/74/74) in her legs on Sunday when she ran 9:51. Apparently she had decided she needed to catch and pass the field in the first 400 that day! From the video of that DMR leg she appeared to be really struggling toward the end.

The Milesplit crew thinks the Girls 1 mile record (4:28) is in jeopardy. I think they are dreaming.

I can see Dudek's team threatening 4x800 and/or DMR records.

https://www.milesplit.com/articles/275766-on-the-line-which-indoor-national-records-will-be-broken

11:35 DMR for Purple Track club at MITS championship.

thanks for this - they won by over a minute! apparently purple (the dudek ann arbor team) is running 4 relays at the meet.

DMR and sprint medley saturday

4 x800 and 4 x400 on sunday

Gavin Sherry 8:54 for 3200 today in CT

fasterTuohy wrote:

Pretty sure Dudek will be at the top of the list by the end of the season.

For whatever reason she did not look that good today (4:44 1600 and 2:14 800). Her DMR team missed national record by less than 1 second and her SMR team lost. Perhaps under the weather?