Will Strava remove all Vaporfly Cheated Segments once they have been banned?

How much faster do you think vaporflys are compared to the next fastest shoe? I'm genuinely curious.

Its maybe 5s per mile bruh anyone getting big segments in vaporflys was probably good enough to get them anyway

LOL @ "Stealing segments."

"Genuinely entitled to." Wow, you are one pathetic loser!

I think Strava is successful because it encourages us to compare ourselves with other people. It happened with social media and now with our training logs. Comparison is everything. This comparison effect lowers the users' quality of life, but keeps them addicted to the app.

You will break free of Strava's chains when you unfollow everyone you know and use it as a training tool. It will tell you how your time on the same segment compares to the last time. Until you can be sure the segment owner didn't just spoof the entire GPS file from their computer, what's the point in comparing? That is what races are for, if you really want it.

josh1988 wrote:

How much faster do you think vaporflys are compared to the next fastest shoe? I'm genuinely curious.

I believe it's ~ 15/20 seconds per mile.

Start flagging them now.

Comparison should be with yourself wrote:

I think Strava is successful because it encourages us to compare ourselves with other people. It happened with social media and now with our training logs. Comparison is everything. This comparison effect lowers the users' quality of life, but keeps them addicted to the app.

You will break free of Strava's chains when you unfollow everyone you know and use it as a training tool. It will tell you how your time on the same segment compares to the last time. Until you can be sure the segment owner didn't just spoof the entire GPS file from their computer, what's the point in comparing? That is what races are for, if you really want it.

To be honest I don't really care about races. As an amateur I find it kind of absurd to take any self pride in say finishing top 5 in a half marathon or top 10sh in a full marathon at the pace I run. I enjoy attempting Strava Segment domination because I live in the centre of a fairly large city so the segments are fairly hard fought / regularly contested.

I became the runner, perhaps even the man I am today by hunting these down. I take can out any segment down to about 4:20 min mile pace pretty much up to a mile or thereabouts. It puts me in a lovely Goldilocks zone because I'm not good enough to be a real runner but am fast enough to be running a pace that real runners wouldn't waste their energy on for such frivolous gain. I'm living the Strava dream.... Asides from these Vaporfly cheats stealing segments they clearly could otherwise never obtain that is.

Facts are worthless wrote:

Start flagging them now.

Would love to. But I only flag genuine cheats, i.e. guys breaking World Records on their way to "beating" my times...

... but once the ban comes into effect yeah that's surely fair game.

To clarify, are you saying that you would rather be #1 on a Strava segment than #5 in a real-world race?

Shoes are self-reported, so how do you think Strava will know if someone wore vapes or not? Are you going to stalk every person you suspect will beat your segments and videotape their attempts? Or hop in a time machine to go back and check? Someone could have easily run them in next%s then just log it as chuck taylors, just for kicks (and to piss you off).

New plan - follow them on strava, get in touch with them to find out their next race, and pound them into the ground. Train 4-5% harder than them and race in a non-carbonated shoe. Done. Stop complaining and run real races, not virtual ones.

Stravazzi wrote:

josh1988 wrote:

How much faster do you think vaporflys are compared to the next fastest shoe? I'm genuinely curious.

I believe it's ~ 15/20 seconds per mile.

20 s/mile would be 8:44 for a marathon. Where are all the 1:55 marathon runners now?

Partridge wrote:

Stravazzi wrote:

I believe it's ~ 15/20 seconds per mile.

20 s/mile would be 8:44 for a marathon. Where are all the 1:55 marathon runners now?

Don't be ridiculous / facetious.

I'm talking at my pace / distances. Are you going to extrapolate that up to ultra distances or something stupid like that?

#getRealMoran

Comparison should be with yourself wrote:

To clarify, are you saying that you would rather be #1 on a Strava segment than #5 in a real-world race?

I'm saying that it literally makes no difference.

... as an amateur runner. I love running but recognise I'm not really any good at it - so any "real" run I'd do doesn't have any "real" runners in it, so what does it matter if I was 5th in it, 100th in it or dnf? No one care.

Stravazzi wrote:

... as an amateur runner. I love running but recognise I'm not really any good at it - so any "real" run I'd do doesn't have any "real" runners in it, so what does it matter if I was 5th in it, 100th in it or dnf? No one care.

I'm struggling to grasp what you DO care about then? It seems to matter to you that you own these strava segments.

Comparison should be with yourself wrote:

Stravazzi wrote:

... as an amateur runner. I love running but recognise I'm not really any good at it - so any "real" run I'd do doesn't have any "real" runners in it, so what does it matter if I was 5th in it, 100th in it or dnf? No one care.

I'm struggling to grasp what you DO care about then? It seems to matter to you that you own these strava segments.

Well exactly, yes. That's why I'm complaining about these Vaporfly cheats.

What I was was saying is that is makes no difference in the greater scheme of things if I finish outside the winners in some lower level local race I could enter OR if I choose to focus my efforts on being the best shape I can be in to take out local Strava Segments.

I simply choose the later. And have done for some time now. And they are unfortunately subject to the same vaporfly pollution as "races".

Anyone can spoof their data files right now. Where do you live? I can whip one up in a few minutes. What does it mean to you if someone can cheat and take you out of that top spot? Would you still want to keep running? Is it really only strava segments that get you out the door? Is that the right motivation for long-term running happiness?

Point is, people can cheat on strava much more than they can cheat in a real race. You are appealing to some kind of governing authority that doesn't exist; Strava will only take action if their user engagement dips for some reason. The app is social media. It is a data play - the value of the company rests on the ways they can monetize your data...who they can sell it to. The addictive features like segments and leaderboards are just there to make sure everyone keeps logging. They don't care about this type of thing. Race directors do.