Um, nope wrote:
No, in fact, they are wrong. Russia and Russians are disgusting and amoral.
They eat babies too.
Um, nope wrote:
No, in fact, they are wrong. Russia and Russians are disgusting and amoral.
They eat babies too.
rekrunner wrote:
How else to explain an article which suggests that, on the aggregate, Brits are similarly as bad as the Russians, for taking WADA legal medication in a WADA legal way?
It's not legal if you are taking the medication for a disease that you do not have. Eg: See Wiggins and his cortisol injections for his non existant asthma, etc etc ...
Deanouk wrote:
The fact that years later, more athletes have been caught and stripped of medals for cheating, is testament to how successful the organisers of 2012 were in keeping to their word and ensuring that the clean athletes (as much as scientifically possible for the time)eventually get the accolades and credit they deserve.
Lolz. No. The organizers had nothing to do with the post-2012 drug tests and the Russian whistle blowers.
As for the moral leg, El K:
Russian doping >> Kenyan doping >> British doping
but the Brits are neither clean nor consequent enough to have a moral leg (e.g., Radcliffe cover-up, Farah doorbell, Salazar drug cheat, Armitstead screw-up, Froome salbutamol, ...).
voooo wrote:
2) All East-Africans dope. No exceptions. All Kenyans and Ethiopians are juiced to the gills. We need country wide bans.
Waaaah! Waaaah! Waaaah!
Poor baby, the black men are all evil!
Deanouk wrote:
The Guardian article is very misleading and the journalist hasn't grasped the most obvious contradiction of his own atrticle.
The 2012 Games may well have had the greatest number of positive doping tests and stripped the most athletes of medals, but that fact only underlines that it was indeed the most successful Games in ensuring clean medalists.
Hardly - where do I start? Poistogova was elevated from bronze to silver in 800m. She admitted to doping in the ARD-recordings for both the London games and the 2014 EAC, but was only stripped of her EAC medal. Lol. Tomashova, convicted of doping in 2008 (manipulations of samples) was elevated from 4th to SILVER in 1500!
Furthermore, the Russian gold medalist in the 400 and another Russian bronze medalist in the marathon haven't been banned nor had their medals annulled either.
Ukraine's 4x400 bronze medalist team had a convicted doper from a 2009 failed test, and a second failed test in 2017 (Zemlyak). On Ukraine's 4x100 bronze medalist team, 3 out of the 4 members had later failed doping tests. Lol.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/7679893.stmGuardian article in being misleading shocker. They haven't got a journalistic leg to stand on. Joke paper.
casual obsever wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
The fact that years later, more athletes have been caught and stripped of medals for cheating, is testament to how successful the organisers of 2012 were in keeping to their word and ensuring that the clean athletes (as much as scientifically possible for the time)eventually get the accolades and credit they deserve.
Lolz. No. The organizers had nothing to do with the post-2012 drug tests and the Russian whistle blowers.
As for the moral leg, El K:
Russian doping >> Kenyan doping >> British doping
but the Brits are neither clean nor consequent enough to have a moral leg (e.g., Radcliffe cover-up, Farah doorbell, Salazar drug cheat, Armitstead screw-up, Froome salbutamol, ...).
HA! According to WADA, Kenyan athletes who dope use crude and unsophisticated methods (ergo they get caught). Get back to me if we have anything as elaborate and sophisticated as Team Sky.
Fhgg wrote:
voooo wrote:
2) All East-Africans dope. No exceptions. All Kenyans and Ethiopians are juiced to the gills. We need country wide bans.
Waaaah! Waaaah! Waaaah!
Poor baby, the black men are all evil!
No, it's just the truth.
Were there clean athletes in East Germany? No.
Were there clean Tour de France riders in 2000? No.
Are there clean runners in Kenya today. No.
And that's why we need to ban the country, just like we did to Russia.
El Keniano wrote:
And they're right.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/dec/13/britain-moral-high-ground-london-2012?CMP=share_btn_tw
Good article, thanks for sharing.
jeff tallon wrote:
british athletes take steroids,and whatever else they can get their hands on.im also pretty sure their cyclists,weightlifters,bodybuilders,rugby players and rowers are drugged up out of their skulls,and some of their swimmers as well.in athletics (apart from sprinting) their drug use isnt as systematic as russia's was,but its still pretty bad..
doping watcher wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
How else to explain an article which suggests that, on the aggregate, Brits are similarly as bad as the Russians, for taking WADA legal medication in a WADA legal way?
It's not legal if you are taking the medication for a disease that you do not have. Eg: See Wiggins and his cortisol injections for his non existant asthma, etc etc ...
My comments were about things that appeared in the Guardian article.
To determine what is WADA legal, I will defer to the WADA Code.
OK, OK, let's stop the fighting and bickering and be clear about one thing: there is a right way to dope, and a wrong way to dope.
Yes, I admit, in this day and age you have to be either doping and/or a member of a different species to medal at any Olympic event that anybody cares about. HOWEVER!! This should not be misconstrued as a blanket endorsement of the use of PED's.
You see, we, the IOC, need to be perceived as anti-doping, pro-fairness, pro-democracy, pro-equality, pro-LGBTQ+, pro-awesome, pro-courage, pro-whatever else is ascendant these days. Otherwise our mission of ransacking poor innocent nations while enriching ourselves will become far too difficult.
So, to put it simply, this is how you dope: independently! Duh! OF COURSE you're going to dope, but don't get your whole freaking country in on the deal! For Chrissakes! We only approve of small, independently sourced doping rings. Ideally, each athlete would design and manufacture their own undetectable PED's, but that's obviously not going to happen. Jocks aren't always the sharpest tools in the shed. But please, keep it small and private - seriously! That way, if we get sick of you and decide you need to be taken down (or some overzealous journalist manages to discredit you), you don't take down half of the free world with you.
Here at the IOC, we're rather fond of dictators and authoritarians in general, but when it comes to doping, we say, do like the terrorists do - keep everything confined to small "cells". Don't even have kingpins and overlords. Privately sourced, independent doping only. Please. This Russian business is getting me down. So much money, down the drain.