Snowflake Syndrome: 2-11 NY Giants (NFL football) cut Pro Bowler Janoris Jenkins for using the so-called 'R-word'

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Linguistic N wrote:

What about the word "gay". Are you also offended by that in the same way?

Not at all. It's commonly used and I've never heard any complaints about it's use. It replaced the word "fagg*t" which is offensive.

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Then you are so gay.

Soon there will be no words to describe people at all. They will just be people.

?????? wrote:

What's the R word?

Yeah, I didn't even know it was a Thing.

TBH TBH TBH wrote:

TBH, I find intellectually disabled more offensive than retard. Retard in the literal meaning just means slow. Intellectually disabled sounds like a elitist way of calling someone stupid.

+1. I thought "disabled" was more-or-less offensive (D-word?) at least for a decade or more.

Differently Abled wrote:

TBH TBH TBH wrote:

TBH, I find intellectually disabled more offensive than retard. Retard in the literal meaning just means slow. Intellectually disabled sounds like a elitist way of calling someone stupid.

+1. I thought "disabled" was more-or-less offensive (D-word?) at least for a decade or more.

You shouldn't have thought. Reconsider next time.

you are behind the times wrote:

MohammedAA wrote:

I use the word retarded often in my line of work. I am a medical doctor, and it is a generally accepted medical term for Developmental delays.

I've worked with people with developmental disabilities for most of my adult life. It used to be a generally accepted medical term. The current term is intellectually disabled. It's the term in the DSM-5 (2013) and use has been trending towards that term for about two decades. I never see current documentation that uses the word retarded, although I still run across the term frequently in older documentation. I would encourage you to update your terminology.

I was a member of the board of directors for my local Association for Retarded Citizens in the 1980s and 1990s, and we retained the name of the organization even after the national organization changed to "Arc of the United States" in 1992. I believe that quite a number of local affiliates of Arc, including ours, continue to refer to themselves as associations for retarded cititens rather than by the acronyn. For a number of reasons, I've always felt quite uncomfortable about that use of the word "retarded," and I've always regarded the noun "retard" (pronounced with a long "e" and emphasis on the first syllable) as an offensive or insulting back formation, but I also believe, more generally, that too many people are too quick to take offense at certain terminology and to mistake regional, generational, and cultural differences in usage for deficiences in a speaker's character. (I do not, however, object to well-meaning suggestions for changes in terminology, if only to avoid misunderstandings and bad feelings.)

Often used to mock people with special needs wrote:

As for the star CB, he doesn't seem too broken up about being cut, tweeting "Best news ever.. Thank you"

The team doesn't want the player. The player doesn't want to be a member of the team. Everyone who is actually involved in the situation okay with the outcome. The only person whining about it is you: a third party observing from the sideline with no stake in any of this.

Perhaps you should reflect on who the "snowflake" in this situation is.

Avocado's Number wrote:

I've worked with people with developmental disabilities for most of my adult life. It used to be a generally accepted medical term. The current term is intellectually disabled. It's the term in the DSM-5 (2013) and use has been trending towards that term for about two decades. I never see current documentation that uses the word retarded, although I still run across the term frequently in older documentation. I would encourage you to update your terminology.

I was a member of the board of directors for my local Association for Retarded Citizens in the 1980s and 1990s, and we retained the name of the organization even after the national organization changed to "Arc of the United States" in 1992. I believe that quite a number of local affiliates of Arc, including ours, continue to refer to themselves as associations for retarded cititens rather than by the acronyn. For a number of reasons, I've always felt quite uncomfortable about that use of the word "retarded," and I've always regarded the noun "retard" (pronounced with a long "e" and emphasis on the first syllable) as an offensive or insulting back formation, but I also believe, more generally, that too many people are too quick to take offense at certain terminology and to mistake regional, generational, and cultural differences in usage for deficiences in a speaker's character. (I do not, however, object to well-meaning suggestions for changes in terminology, if only to avoid misunderstandings and bad feelings.)[/quote]

To my earlier point regarding maybe not going overboard with offendedness is the way to go but if someone says that maybe your choice of words can be reconsidered I'm not sure it's a great look to draw a line in the sand and take the "you're a snowflake" approach.

I think it was Bill Walsh (49-ers) who put it, that winning is a product of culture.

The NYG are 2-11, they aren't winners. And just as you'd expect, their culture is a loser one (or is that an L-word?), finding specious virtue-signalling reasons to cut a Pro Bowl player.

Mark my words, in the next 5 years a public figure is going to lose their job for using the word fat to describe someone who is fat. These fat acceptance r-words are already arguing that it's "as bad as the n-word"

To my earlier point regarding maybe not going overboard with offendedness is the way to go but if someone says that maybe your choice of words can be reconsidered I'm not sure it's a great look to draw a line in the sand and take the "you're a snowflake" approach.[/quote]

I agree.

Avocado's Number wrote:

The Fokus wrote:

To my earlier point regarding maybe not going overboard with offendedness is the way to go but if someone says that maybe your choice of words can be reconsidered I'm not sure it's a great look to draw a line in the sand and take the "you're a snowflake" approach.

I agree.

(The formatting of these embedded quotations got twisted up a bit.)

I haven't done a survey but I would be quite surprised if there were more than a handful of chapters using "association for retarded citizens" as their name at this point. Can you link to your local chapter?

DorothyMantooth wrote:

Mark my words, in the next 5 years a public figure is going to lose their job for using the word fat to describe someone who is fat. These fat acceptance r-words are already arguing that it's "as bad as the n-word"

YAWN . . .

That is as likely as a public figure losing their job that skinny people who exercise are killing themselves. Meaning: become a fatty like me. Hmmm ... Trump already said something to that effect.

Here we have another example of a failure to recognize that context matters.

I mean, it's TWITTER already.........

Below is ignorance personified. Poster is probably from the South.

Avocado's Number wrote:

I was a member of the board of directors for my local Association for Retarded Citizens in the 1980s and 1990s, and we retained the name of the organization even after the national organization changed to "Arc of the United States" in 1992. I believe that quite a number of local affiliates of Arc, including ours, continue to refer to themselves as associations for retarded cititens rather than by the acronyn.

astro wrote:

Retard was a general term that just meant idiot when growing up. Somehow it got hijacked to become a term solely derogatory towards people with developmental disabilities. That is not how it is used.

Anyway the Giants suck this year. And last year. And next year.

Yeah. Shakespeare and Chaucer called people a lot worse and are revered as literally geniuses. “That’s retarded” is like “man, that was pretty dumb.” There is little difference between those two sentences.

The internet is pretty merciless toward celebrities and politicians with insults but expect them to be perfectly polite and PC.

Yeah I would... wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Would you use the word as a noun to describe a friend's child are someone you saw at a store? Would you expect a parent not to be offended?

Yeah I would, because my friends don't expect me to be kind or thoughtful in any way. Also, I'm friends with many retards, they never object to me calling them that. And I don't see anything wrong with using the term.

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Shakespeare et al wrote:

astro wrote:

Retard was a general term that just meant idiot when growing up. Somehow it got hijacked to become a term solely derogatory towards people with developmental disabilities. That is not how it is used.

Anyway the Giants suck this year. And last year. And next year.

Yeah. Shakespeare and Chaucer called people a lot worse and are revered as literally geniuses. “That’s retarded” is like “man, that was pretty dumb.” There is little difference between those two sentences.

The internet is pretty merciless toward celebrities and politicians with insults but expect them to be perfectly polite and PC.

Ever heard the saying "The future is already here; it's just not very evenly distributed"?

Nearly 15 years ago, a friend of mine got very offended at my use of the word "retarded". Funny thing, she also liked to brag about her Mensa membership. I rolled my eyes, thought the whole thing was retarded, but decided not to say it around her, in the interest of not being a dick.

She had no problem with "dumb" (offensive to the mute, obviously), "idiot", "moron" (essentially, older versions of "retarded" which had a medical meaning at one time...I vaguely think she might have had some excuse for why those didn't count, but I don't remember), etc. Neither, in my experience, did anyone else. So for a long time, I would mention this and point out the hypocrisy.

Pointing out that ideologues don't follow their ideologies all the way through isn't much of an argument. Someone is always willing to go farther.

Nearly 10 years ago I found online forums where many people objected to all those terms, under the then new-to-me umbrella of "ableism" (although that had already been germinating for a while itself). I didn't like where this was going, but again, out of politeness I'd avoid using certain words around people who were upset by them. Basically all the elements of today's SJWs were observable then and there -- some of the crazier things you see on Facebook and Twitter now are basically repeats of things that were circulating around Tumblr 7-8 years ago.

(Oh yeah. They definitely objected to the word "crazy". Stigmatizes mental illness, doncha know. Probably object to "doncha"..."culturally appropriating" one dialect or another, I'm sure.)

So the New York Giants have caught up to the PC/SJW vanguard of maybe 15 years ago. Give them another 8 years and who knows where they and the rest of the mainstream will be?