Explosive New York Times article: Mary Cain breaks silence about NOP

not a nike fan wrote:

So she goes straight from high school to a training group that is focused on winning gold medals and is shocked when they want her to do the things that they believe would help her perform at her peak potential? Why is there outrage over this? Nobody takes responsibility for their own actions these days, it is always somebody else's fault.

If you are expecting an 18-year-old to have the cognitive and emotional maturity to be able to somehow foresee this or "take responsibility for their own actions" after the fact, I would advise you to think really hard and remember what you were capable of as an 18-year-old. When it comes to grappling with the big things, you are still very much a child at that age.

Salazar was trusted with acting in loco parentis, a concept he was obviously not familiar with.

Alberto Salazar has a lot in common with Mary Cain, Both were very good in High School, Salazar might still hold some records at his High School in Wayland, Massachusettes

makes me wonder if jordan takes a diuretic to keep her weight so low.

It all comes down to one thing: Where were the parents?

In this situation, it sounds like they spoke up and saved her from a terrible situation. AS gets paid to make fast runners and win gold medals. He is not a dad. He is not a pharmacist. He is not a doctor.

AS should have stuck to coaching.

But at a certain point weight is going to come into the picture. If you're not lean, you're going to lose. At a certain point a pro coach needs to be able to discuss weight with his athletes. I am not sure when that is.

18 is young, but it is an adult. Boys can get shot in the head for the USA at 18.

This is just all so disappointing.

Apparently they Took Away Salazar's School Records at his High School after he was suspended, I know he ran under 9 Minutes for 2 Miles, but it does not show up. https://ma.milesplit.com/teams/19416-wayland-high-school/records#.XcQYoFVKjX4

Compelling. I keep waiting for Cain to make her comeback but injury follows her like a plague. Having RED-S explains that. Is she still sponsored by Nike? She was hosting events with them just a year ago. The Pegs she is wearing are 34s, two versions old.

I like that she acknowledges that being lean is important for professional running but the pressure she experienced to reach 114 was unhealthy. Every once in a while elite female runners touch on the topic of "race weight" but they change the subject quickly after a vague definition. They definitely have a number in mind. I wonder if Cain will ever be able to come back from RED-S. It's debilitating in the athletes that have been diagnosed with it.

Did you two even read the article or watch the video? Looks like not. Or you're just a callous human beings. This wasn't about Cain's opinion of her own ability level getting to her head and corrupting her. To think this NYT article is about her race times is absolutely laughable and makes me think you two are trolls. Cain acknowledges that maintaining a solid race weight is important to the sport, but the problem came from how it was maintained (abused) by her coaches and staff. She also never said she was shocked she was asked to lose weight. She bought into the process for years, and in that time the people she deferred to and trusted, and looked up to, to guide her training did so in an overwhelmingly toxic way. No matter what the training involved, to think her coaches brushed off her cutting herself instead of even pretending to care is terrible, and if Cain didn't decide to quit we may have heard about her suicide a long time ago. People like you two would probably have wondered why there was outrage over that if that ended up happening, too.

I've been criticizing coaches like this for years. There are plenty in the NCAA who are no different than Salazar. Ya'll better recognize this just isn't a NOP thing.

not an apologist wrote:

Both sides have blame as they always do

No, wrong. This is victim blaming BS. The abused is not at fault for their own abuse. What the hell is wrong with you?

douglas burke wrote:

https://ma.milesplit.com/articles/129942-massachusetts-state-record-page

As you see Salazar not only had his School Record, but he has the Record for the ENTIRE STATE of Massachusettes, I thought he had broken 9 Minutes though, people used to think he was Driven, Dedicated, Motivated, Hard Working, turns out he was none of those things. SAD

Same thing is happening to Jordan Hasay. I understand their may be some logic in being as light as possible to run fast but when these girls are habitually running until their bones break you would think it would be ok to let them eat a piece of pizza. Al can't even get his two athletes to the line healthy.

Hounddogharrier wrote:

Probably the most powerful statement I’ve heard on young women in track . Of course, Nike will now unleash its troll army of unregistered posters and smear her endlessly . Stay strong Mary Cain !

Of course you're a messed up wanna be and project things that you know nothing about in an attempt to make yourself feel smart and in the know...you're not.

central governor wrote:

If you are expecting an 18-year-old to have the cognitive and emotional maturity to be able to somehow foresee this or "take responsibility for their own actions" after the fact, I would advise you to think really hard and remember what you were capable of as an 18-year-old. When it comes to grappling with the big things, you are still very much a child at that age.

Salazar was trusted with acting in loco parentis, a concept he was obviously not familiar with.

Fully agree. No one that will be posting here, in very high likelihood, has been at or near the top of their sport. Fully understanding the pressures and decisions to be made cannot be fully grasped. At the very least, anyone that knows anything about pre-frontal cortex development in teens knows that the ability to fully make cognizant decisions just isn't there yet. Why do you think the military allows recruitment at 18 years old? They don't want thinkers - they want pawns.

The Parents...? wrote:

18 is young, but it is an adult. Boys can get shot in the head for the USA at 18.

I’m not sure why you think grown people deciding when young people should go to war supports your assertion that 18 year olds are adults.

Angus of Homewood wrote:

The Parents...? wrote:

18 is young, but it is an adult. Boys can get shot in the head for the USA at 18.

I’m not sure why you think grown people deciding when young people should go to war supports your assertion that 18 year olds are adults.

Absolutely. As I just wrote above, the military doesn't want thinkers - they want pawns.

douglas burke wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

https://ma.milesplit.com/articles/129942-massachusetts-strate-record-page

As you see Salazar not only had his School Record, but he has the Record for the ENTIRE STATE of Massachusettes, I thought he had broken 9 Minutes though, people used to think he was Driven, Dedicated, Motivated, Hard Working, turns out he was none of those things. SAD

Look under 2 miles. It’s in bold...cmon man

douglas burke wrote:

Apparently they Took Away Salazar's School Records at his High School after he was suspended, I know he ran under 9 Minutes for 2 Miles, but it does not show up.

I suspect this database does not include the 1970's. I looked at my old high school and the records shown are also slower than some times I know were run in the 1970s.

Win at all costs because the coach wanted her to lose weight? Imagine a coach at the highest level of the sport not being able to tell his athlete she’s too heavy. That’s where track has reached. And people wonder why Track is dying and not taken seriously. This isn’t high school or college, this is professional sports. Did she really think she could sign a professional contract and then gain weight and underperform and nobody would say anything?