Why didn't CU get Sprout or Culpepper

Scholar Expert wrote:

You submit your financial info and they tell you your price. Upper middle class-$75k. Middle class-$50k. Low mid class -$25k. Low class-free.

So that's what the Stanford football players do? Andrew Luck payed part if not all his way at Stanford? His folks are well off.

Maybe Rocha got to them first

Football has about 100 full rides to give out

Ralphie CU wrote:

Scholar Expert wrote:

You submit your financial info and they tell you your price. Upper middle class-$75k. Middle class-$50k. Low mid class -$25k. Low class-free.

So that's what the Stanford football players do? Andrew Luck payed part if not all his way at Stanford? His folks are well off.

I don't think that was the point. The issue is that schools have very few athletic scholarships to give out for Men's cross country and track. However, D1 schools have an absurd number of football scholarships to give out.

Schools like Stanford have nearly unlimited need-based financial aid (like the Ivies). So, if you are a good high school runner from modest means, they don't have to use an athletic scholarship to fund your tuition.

This is not a concern for football players. They just give the scholarship.

miss informed wrote:

Um, the 18 scholarship limit is for women, men get 12.5.

That doesn’t seem fair.

I have heard that at many programs the men’s teams don’t get to work with the maximum allowed scholarship because of cut backs due to title 9. Men’s football stays in place due to being a revenue sport and other men’s programs gret chopped or scholarship allotment cut way back. Wealthier schools add women’s sports to even out the number of scholarships.

Maybe CU isn’t allowed to work with 12.5 men’s scholarships?

Title 9 may be the reason wrote:

miss informed wrote:

Um, the 18 scholarship limit is for women, men get 12.5.

That doesn’t seem fair.

I have heard that at many programs the men’s teams don’t get to work with the maximum allowed scholarship because of cut backs due to title 9. Men’s football stays in place due to being a revenue sport and other men’s programs gret chopped or scholarship allotment cut way back. Wealthier schools add women’s sports to even out the number of scholarships.

Maybe CU isn’t allowed to work with 12.5 men’s scholarships?

Guaranteed they are working with the full 12.6 (not 12.5).

Football is not allowed to split scholarships. All are full rides while track can spkit them as small as they want. Schools first dip into need based and academic scholarahips fir that reason. Even if Luck was poor, his scholarship was a full ride.

CU didn’t bend over for for D.Hunter; from my memory, they were pretty much hands off on the number one recruit/runner in the USA that year.

Yes, CU offers full rides. I know 3 people who were on them. This isn’t 20 years ago, they are fully funded 12.6 and spend most of their money on distance. Colorado isn’t for everyone and Wetmore hasn’t done a great job with his guys running well after college this decade. People look up and see what Stanford offers academically or what Powell did at Oregon (the amount of individual ncaa titles and pro runners) and it’s an easy pick. I’ve been impressed with what Wetmore has done on the women’s side over the last decade.

Hey Creaky Bones, you are incorrect in your memory. Wetmore never coached Matthew Centrowitz. I think you're mistaking Wetmore for Salazar.

Creaky Bones wrote:

So it's not a great choice, as Wetmore has coached the most successful 1500 meter runner, male or female, in US history, but I don't think it's crazy. Also gotta remember that Cruz's parents live in Boulder. He went to school in Boulder until his freshman or sophomore year of HS, and even now Niwot is 10 minutes from Boulder. I don't blame him for thinking it'd be kind of boring to stick around your hometown when just about any school in the nation would have him.

I have a few friends who coach at the college ranks. I always wondered why people make it a big deal that a coaches athletes don't do anything after college? Wetmore is paid to coach COLLEGE athletes. Just like John McDonnell was paid to win at Arkansas. John's duty as a coach and employee at the University of Arkansas was to win and win now. You don't get to keep your job because one of your athletes ran at the Olympic trials years after graduating.

I always get a kick out of people on this board thinking your starting salary will be a lot different if you went for example Wisconsin over Maryland. After you get a full time job NO ONE cares where you went to school. My wife is an engineer and she always said that in her interviews no one asked about her education it was all about her internships.

They're both already near their relative ceilings.

Also, Wetmore doesn't need to recruit, that's a job for his assistants Nelson and Burroughs.

lets get this right wrote:

Title 9 may be the reason wrote:

That doesn’t seem fair.

I have heard that at many programs the men’s teams don’t get to work with the maximum allowed scholarship because of cut backs due to title 9. Men’s football stays in place due to being a revenue sport and other men’s programs gret chopped or scholarship allotment cut way back. Wealthier schools add women’s sports to even out the number of scholarships.

Maybe CU isn’t allowed to work with 12.5 men’s scholarships?

Guaranteed they are working with the full 12.6 (not 12.5).

CU T&F wasn't working with a full allotment of scholarships when they were paying two or more former football coaches to not coach. Once they cleared Barnett from the books they could increase but it looks like they may be back to paying Hawkins, Embree, and MacIntyre (or at least the latter two) to not coach the mighty Buffs on the gridiron.

Wow you guys are clueless wrote:

Yes, CU offers full rides. I know 3 people who were on them. This isn’t 20 years ago, they are fully funded 12.6 and spend most of their money on distance. Colorado isn’t for everyone and Wetmore hasn’t done a great job with his guys running well after college this decade. People look up and see what Stanford offers academically or what Powell did at Oregon (the amount of individual ncaa titles and pro runners) and it’s an easy pick. I’ve been impressed with what Wetmore has done on the women’s side over the last decade.

People are "clueless" on the exact details of the arcane scholarship rules, regulations and policies of a particular school in a minor sport.

Really, dude?

HookemHorns wrote:

I have a few friends who coach at the college ranks. I always wondered why people make it a big deal that a coaches athletes don't do anything after college? Wetmore is paid to coach COLLEGE athletes. Just like John McDonnell was paid to win at Arkansas. John's duty as a coach and employee at the University of Arkansas was to win and win now. You don't get to keep your job because one of your athletes ran at the Olympic trials years after graduating.

No doubt. Nobody cares about professional distance running. It's barely a thing. Only a handful of people actually make a living doing it, and even if they do it's only for a few years in most cases.

Neat narrative.

Are you aware that Wetmore has coached Jenny Simpson for much of her professional career. ....Including Olympic medals, World championship medals, and Diamond league wins.

CU's Coach Wetmore.

Emma Coburn?

Gouchers, pre-NOP?

Culppeper?

REAL. wrote:

Hey Creaky Bones, you are incorrect in your memory. Wetmore never coached Matthew Centrowitz. I think you're mistaking Wetmore for Salazar.

Creaky Bones wrote:

So it's not a great choice, as Wetmore has coached the most successful 1500 meter runner, male or female, in US history, but I don't think it's crazy. Also gotta remember that Cruz's parents live in Boulder. He went to school in Boulder until his freshman or sophomore year of HS, and even now Niwot is 10 minutes from Boulder. I don't blame him for thinking it'd be kind of boring to stick around your hometown when just about any school in the nation would have him.

Centro is cool but Jenny Simpson is the best U.S. 1500m runner ever.

Not sure Jenny can contend with Centro's credentials -

Olympic Gold

World Championship Silver

World Championship Bronze

Olympic 4th

I'm sure you simply have a bias towards Jenny Simpson, but facts are facts. Nothing trumps Olympic Gold, as Simpson stated this herself and how she feels her career is incomplete without it.