Craig Engels on Hassan: "I’ll defend her to the death..She is the hardest worker I’ve ever seen in this sport."

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Literally?

ezrzerze wrote:

Craig clearly doesn't know how this works.

Lance was the most tested on the planet.

If Hassan gets tested 8 times in 3 weeks, that's not proof that she is clean, it's because the testers know she is dirty and she is gaming the system.

And he failed 4 anti-doping tests:)

Hardloper wrote:

The Secret Race occurred before the ABP and before modern detection methods for EPO in general. Come on, there's zero chance she or Salazar would risk microdosing EPO the night before a drug test, that would be insane.

There's less than zero chance that any Noper isn't microdosing every day.

Exactly

I agree with that. Whatever that Healing Hans is doing in Germany sounds like a possibility. And it's NOP. Of course they had a team of doctors and scientists that could have their athletes on the proper schedules and dosages. They have all of the resources available to them.

Hardloper wrote:

Jambo Cabao wrote:

It is pretty well known that if you take a small dose of EPO at 9pm, then drink a liter of water, when the 6am testing window opens the next morning, the drug will no longer be detectable.

They can take the drug every single night of the year, be tested every single morning of the year, and never fail a test.

There's zero chance they would take that risk, and a dose of EPO that microscopic would have no performance enhancing benefit anyway.

Actually Craig, the biggest effect doping has is that it allows you to work harder than anyone else.

Hassan is the hardest worker? It's the drugs, Craig!

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

It's hard to take anything seriously from Craig "good time fun guy" Engels.

He's PC to the end, knows which side his bagel is buttered on.

Thanks, Rojo. I train on the same Whirlpool Trail (now "South Campus rail trail") at Ole Miss that Engels trained on, and I pass the Ole Miss men's and women's teams daily out in the woods. I never met Engels, but I've followed his progress and I enjoyed the story. If he's testifying to Sifan's drug-free, hard-working status, that carries weight for me. People these days understand the stakes. They don't put themselves on the line unless they understand the stakes.

So: vouch for the person you believe in. Engels vouches for Sifan. That's news.

NoMoMullets wrote:

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

It's hard to take anything seriously from Craig "good time fun guy" Engels.

He's PC to the end, knows which side his bagel is buttered on.

NoMoMullets tells me everything I need to know. Wish I had that rock to crawl back under.

Jethro wrote:

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Piscataway must be very grey this time of year.

Let's get to the bottom of this wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

There's zero chance they would take that risk, and a dose of EPO that microscopic would have no performance enhancing benefit anyway.

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Once again, there is zero chance she or Alsal would risk taking EPO right before a drug test and hope that chugging water somehow will throw off the tests enough to pass. One small miscalculation and your career is over.

alcibiades wrote:

You've gotta appreciate the guy. Maybe his judgment is good, maybe it's bad, but we do know that he's not hiding things. He just says whatever comes out of his mouth. It's entertaining, it gives us pure insight into this mess. You guys always complain about guarded runners, and we've been gifted with Craig. Make up your mind.

I think responses like she gets tested more than anyone so there is no way she can be dirty is about the most guarded rehearsed comment you can make!

ezrzerze wrote:

Again, this is why the sport is a joke to most of the world.

If you are fast, you are doping.

If you are charismatic and open, you are stupid and gullible.

If you pass every drug test ever, it's doesn't matter because Lance Armstrong did the same.

I wish I could throat punch ever one of you motherfuckers that are ruining our sport!

Other than punching I agree with you. Judge, jury and career executioners by using the incredible logic you mention. Only slow = clean. Accusing others means likely clean (worked for Paula R for a while). Hassan is a rare runner, tho I cannot ascertain her use of anything. Watching her run made that clear. And the others, including aging Jenny S went with her and also ran rather shocking and amazing times but don’t seem to headline on the Message Board or LetsRun front page oddly enough. They ran quickly and to me helped drive this talent to have to run faster, often as helpful as breaking the wind.

Hardloper wrote:

Once again, there is zero chance she or Alsal would risk taking EPO right before a drug test and hope that chugging water somehow will throw off the tests enough to pass. One small miscalculation and your career is over.

Exactly!

Plus... the 140 page report doesn't mention EPO, he was never accused of using EPO, even from the psycho Goucher and this is pure conjecture. Anyone that actually read the report would know exactly what Salazar was trying to do. He was trying to game the system LEGALLY! He wanted to suck every advantage he could get out of the rule book and he thought he was really clever. That was his downfall. But to accuse him of being an EPO doper is pure nonsense. He would NEVER rely on his athletes remembering to drink a liter of water every night. You all think Engels is a moron that parties all the time but also disciplined enough to stick to the script and remember to cover his tracks every night by drinking water?

You all make no sense and don't even realize how stupid you sound.

Spin cycle wrote:

Sarah Lorge Butler gave Craig extensive space to keep generating the positive spin on NOP, Pete Julian and the other NOP athletes.

Among many anecdotes showing Craig’s freewheeling approach to life, he also cites Sifan’s numerous OOC tests in St Moritz as proof that she is clean.

Balanced coverage by RW and refreshing perspective from Craig, or brainwashed pro-Nike swill?

Editor's note: We've changed the title of this thread. It was initially entitled, "Craig Engels in Runners World."

It's always comforting to have a white male clarify the situation.

Hardloper wrote:

Let's get to the bottom of this wrote:

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Once again, there is zero chance she or Alsal would risk taking EPO right before a drug test and hope that chugging water somehow will throw off the tests enough to pass. One small miscalculation and your career is over.

"Zero" chance? How can you be so confident? Drug testing is a joke these days - only a small percentage of dopers are caught these days with virtually all of them coming from third world countries that don't have the resources & sophistication of first world nations. Remember the Jama Aden bust in Spain? (Operation Rial). Numerous doping products were confiscated (mainly syringes of EPO & T) and none of the 30 athletes training there tested positive subsequent to the raid. That included Baala who was found to have doping products in his suitcase! Lol.

Also, according to anti-doping experts, microdosing testosterone IC can be undetected. And wasn't "Alsal" dabbling with testosterone gels on his son so as to determine how much would trip the T/E ratio?

"Microdoses could provide a significant boost that remains in the system just for the length of an Olympic event."

This.

The amount of contradictions in the LRC message board world is astounding and pathetic. What idiots. They long ago ruined this glorious sport. And yes, each of themselves to be throat punched.