Shoe advantage? What;s the big deal?

Wrong. The Next% has been classified by NASA as perpetual motion machines because they take wasted energy that would otherwise be directed into the ground and redirect it into a sort of capacitor to launch you forward. While you are correct that the shoe needs the initial step to get started, after that it basically runs by itself.

Truth Bomber wrote:

Wrong. The Next% has been classified by NASA as perpetual motion machines because they take wasted energy that would otherwise be directed into the ground and redirect it into a sort of capacitor to launch you forward. While you are correct that the shoe needs the initial step to get started, after that it basically runs by itself.

Laughable b.s.

The right kind of shoes can make one faster, for sure. I have running shoes that are very firm. I can run like the wind in them. However, I also have had shoes with more cushion and the run is much slower with more effort. So shoes can definitely make a difference. I wonder though just how far a shoe can take it before it becomes banned? Obviously if the shoe had a wheel in it, like a roller skate, it would not be allowed. But what if it was constructed with springs or other kind of mechanism inside that increased speed significantly?

DC Wonk wrote:

Laughable b.s.

Have you ever seen how dominoes work? After you initially knock the first domino over, it continues falling over until you run out of dominoes. It is the same concept here except you never really run out of road. It's science.

Think Hooke's Law and Young's Modulus

I once ran a marathon in shoes that felt great. I was horrified when I improved my personal best by 5 minutes. I threw the shoes away, because I felt I had an unfair advantage against people who cannot afford shoes that cost more than $50. Now I only buy used shoes that cost less than $5.

Any advantage that can be derived from shoes is an unfair advantage. When elites race they should be given random used shoes by the race organisers. That would be fair for everyone.

True, energy return will never exceed 100%, but what's different is the quantity of energy that shoes can store. Prosthetic blades only return energy, but bilateral amputees are potentially much, much faster with the fake legs than with real ones, especially over distances. The difference is that the blades can store a huge amount of energy.

Truth Bomber wrote:

DC Wonk wrote:

Laughable b.s.

Have you ever seen how dominoes work? After you initially knock the first domino over, it continues falling over until you run out of dominoes. It is the same concept here except you never really run out of road. It's science.

Dominos use stored energy. Shoes do not. That's real science.

used shoes man wrote:

I once ran a marathon in shoes that felt great. I was horrified when I improved my personal best by 5 minutes. I threw the shoes away, because I felt I had an unfair advantage against people who cannot afford shoes that cost more than $50. Now I only buy used shoes that cost less than $5.

Any advantage that can be derived from shoes is an unfair advantage. When elites race they should be given random used shoes by the race organisers. That would be fair for everyone.

I'm totally on board, man. Now I only buy running shoes at the Salvation Army.

Nike Schmike wrote:

Dominos use stored energy. Shoes do not. That's real science.

Regular shoes do not. I'm talking about shoes which function as a capacitor e.g. an energy storing device. The science here is real and both recent WRs prove it.

Truth Bomber wrote:

Nike Schmike wrote:

Dominos use stored energy. Shoes do not. That's real science.

Regular shoes do not. I'm talking about shoes which function as a capacitor e.g. an energy storing device. The science here is real and both recent WRs prove it.

I think saw Kipchonge stop to hug is wife so he was not wearing the capacitor shoes. Where can I get these capacitor shoes as they will work great for the people who don’t put enough training in or generally not strong or aerobic enough....

Truth Bomber wrote:

Nike Schmike wrote:

Dominos use stored energy. Shoes do not. That's real science.

Regular shoes do not. I'm talking about shoes which function as a capacitor e.g. an energy storing device. The science here is real and both recent WRs prove it.

Capacitors store energy, as does a spring. Shoes are a spring, and store energy just like a capacitor, efficient or not. The dominoes start with stored energy. Shoes do not start with stored energy, they only return a significant portion of energy stored during a run.

Nike Schmike wrote:

Capacitors store energy, as does a spring. Shoes are a spring, and store energy just like a capacitor, efficient or not. The dominoes start with stored energy. Shoes do not start with stored energy, they only return a significant portion of energy stored during a run.

The stored energy, much like dominoes, is your weight and the energy required to keep you upright. Since you are inevitably going to remain upright, this energy is going to be expenses one way or the other. Since the shoes are also harnessing this energy, storing it, and releasing it directionally, you are in effect amplifying your momentum using what would otherwise be latent energy.

Of course you could stop the energy transfer yourself by dying, or not providing enough fuel for your body to remain upright, but in a broad sense the shoes are force multiplier for anybody engaging in a run.

As you can see, the proof is in the pudding.

Lol! This thread is pure comedy. Keep up the good work.

Yeah, funny! It's a Faraday parody.

I have not seen if the new nike shoos are dishwasher safe. does anyone know? I have arthritis and it is much easier to use the disshwasher instead of scrubbing them by hand after every run.

Truth Bomber wrote:

Nike Schmike wrote:

Dominos use stored energy. Shoes do not. That's real science.

Regular shoes do not. I'm talking about shoes which function as a capacitor e.g. an energy storing device. The science here is real and both recent WRs prove it.

I was a big doubter, just based on the theory of a spring. However, if the shoe resets itself mechanically between every stride then I can see it giving some pop.

Like a mousetrap, it only works once unless you reset it. Pop Pop Pop.

Dufus wrote:

I was a big doubter, just based on the theory of a spring. However, if the shoe resets itself mechanically between every stride then I can see it giving some pop.

Like a mousetrap, it only works once unless you reset it. Pop Pop Pop.

Yes, exactly. With the multiple layers of Pabex foam you don't hear or feel the sensation of the popping discharge, but the results are definitely there.

Word is that Nike is working on a 2021 model with Copperfit to reduce inflammation and injury with a copper-infused compression lining.

Truth Bomber wrote:

Dufus wrote:

I was a big doubter, just based on the theory of a spring. However, if the shoe resets itself mechanically between every stride then I can see it giving some pop.

Like a mousetrap, it only works once unless you reset it. Pop Pop Pop.

Yes, exactly. With the multiple layers of Pabex foam you don't hear or feel the sensation of the popping discharge, but the results are definitely there.

Word is that Nike is working on a 2021 model with Copperfit to reduce inflammation and injury with a copper-infused compression lining.

A little physics is dangerous.......