Nike will back Alberto Salazar Appeal , the gloves are coming off.

Kara made a lengthy post on FB this week thanking “everyone “ who came forward to testify against NOP.

I wonder who else testified and what they said..? It seems more like Kara and other jealous butthurts just stated a bunch of stuff that isn’t backed by evidence to get Salazar out.

Again who is “everyone”.?

Correct , the appeal is only on existing evidence . It is also a different panel looking at the evidence . The motive and timing

of the "whistle blowers" is also now in play . If magness said he left the NOP group and took evidence with him, and documents showed he was fired , this counts now . You are basically correct though .

good. This is just a plaque on the wall for Tygart. What an ass.

I hope Nike crushes them. They should back out of their charity donation to USATF for the time-being.

Karebaress wrote:

Kara made a lengthy post on FB this week thanking “everyone “ who came forward to testify against NOP.

I wonder who else testified and what they said..? It seems more like Kara and other jealous butthurts just stated a bunch of stuff that isn’t backed by evidence to get Salazar out.

Again who is “everyone”.?

Pretty sure this is private . I think names came out in the original leak USADA report in 2015.

jsdklfj;asdlflk wrote:

Opinionated guy wrote:

The appeal, behind closed doors will go something like this:

Nike > "Who pays your bills? We know Nike athletes X, Y, & Z all tested positive and you covered it up per our arrangement. We know you feel this suspension makes you look a little more arbitrary and you feel it returns a shred of your credibility. However, we do not want this. Publically, make it go away and go away fast or expect the gravy train to dry up ."

That is about as much of "the gloves are coming off" as can be expected using hindsight as a guide.

This is the stupidest take on this so far. kara/Adam?

Yea, you are right. Nike would never do such a thing. They would NEVER cover up CJ Hunter's positive test heading into the Olympics so it would not implicate his wife and Nike's golden girl at the time, Marion Jones. Had a USATF intern not leaked it we would not know about it today like countless other Nike controlled cover-ups. This is just the tip of the iceberg with Nike controlling the sport, both good and bad, but always to Nike's advantage. Through friends in the right places I know of a few and I'm very much an outsider. Use your head a little.

And for what it's worth, why would you think Kara/Adam, both former NOP members, would not know what went on. I don't believe they were clean but they certainly knew what was going on and not being afraid to speak out shows strength of character, even if after the fact in a sense.

Flying Carpet Salesman wrote:

Correct , the appeal is only on existing evidence . It is also a different panel looking at the evidence . The motive and timing

of the "whistle blowers" is also now in play . If magness said he left the NOP group and took evidence with him, and documents showed he was fired , this counts now . You are basically correct though .

The defendants already had the opportunity to impeach the testimony of the witnesses. They also had the ability to request production of documents. The "motive and timing of the whistleblowers" is not going to be "in play" in an appeal more than it was in the original hearing.

Pretty sure the pdf of the decision is full of names of people having testified.

Names have been replaced by "Athlete A" or "Athlete B" for privacy only where associated with a specific medical condition or lab value.

Flying Carpet Salesman wrote:

Karebaress wrote:

Kara made a lengthy post on FB this week thanking “everyone “ who came forward to testify against NOP.

I wonder who else testified and what they said..? It seems more like Kara and other jealous butthurts just stated a bunch of stuff that isn’t backed by evidence to get Salazar out.

Again who is “everyone”.?

Pretty sure this is private . I think names came out in the original leak USADA report in 2015.

There is a pretty extensive list of evidence that the panel considered, including the names of various people who testified or submitted statements. I am not sure if that list was exhaustive or not.

Some good points. Let me think about it and get back to you.

The witness lists are on pp. 21-23 of the Salazar Panel decision. You would have to get the transcripts themselves to see who actually showed up and testified, it's not evident from the decision's narrative.

Karebaress wrote:

Kara made a lengthy post on FB this week thanking “everyone “ who came forward to testify against NOP.

I wonder who else testified and what they said..? It seems more like Kara and other jealous butthurts just stated a bunch of stuff that isn’t backed by evidence to get Salazar out.

Again who is “everyone”.?

THANK YOU

Alberto was never very bright wrote:

It won’t matter if it’s overturned, the general public doesn’t care about any of that. Saladbar can’t get his good name back at this point, he might win the battle but he already lost the war. Not to mention that he’ll have USADA up his azz continuously and any of his athletes registering amazing performances will get called out for it. Both he and Nike should pay attention to the age old advice that the first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging.

Thats why false accusations are so malicious. Without evidence, they cause peoples reputations to be ruined. May there be a day when we harshly punish those who falsely accuse.

Of course the company will support an appeal. The mathematics of the cost to appeal versus the potential loss of revenue favors pursuing the former.

This is all well and good, however, when you have the level of money running through sports that we do today, the motivation to cheat is simply too high to expect all athletes to be clean. This doesn't just apply to running, the problem is way worse in other sports. This isn't just a hobby for these guys, its their occupation, its how they feed their family. Its not just the guys at the top, think of all the runners who race the lower tier races just for the prize money, think of all the domestiques in the tour de france who need EPO solely to complete the tour. They're probably more likely to cheat, their career depends on it. Its pretty dismal, but its naive to think that we will ever get to a 100% clean sport.

What they could do is to make a clear set of substances that make someone dirty and the test used to find them. If the drug isn't on the list, its legal, if its a gray area, its legal. No TUEs of any kind. If you have asthma, too bad. There's no difference between that and being born with more fast twitch muscle fiber. If you are caught with any of these substances in your system, you're dirty. It has to be black and white, and the penalties need to be harsh (lifetime ban), otherwise the policy is impotent. I realize it doesn't really work like this, but if you want a clean sport, this is the only way. The acceptable ranges are what making the waters murky.

I my opinion, this will never happen. I've come to terms that there are athletes that will do what it takes to win. It'll eventually get to the point where its a joke, like how the NFL is today. There's nothing normal about any of them anymore. Doped to the gills and I'm not sure I care.

bring it on...... wrote:

This is good, gives them more time to dig and find even more wrong doing. Save those samples, give them time to improve testing and pick up the new stuff.

This is not what happens in an appeal. When Nike/Salazar appeal the decision, they are claiming that, given the existing evidence and arguments both sides presented, the Panel reached the wrong decision. Neither Salazar or USADA can use an appeal to introduce new evidence or raise new issues.

As has been pointed out over and over, the case against Salazar and Brown has nothing to do with athlete's samples. It was all about sketchy things those two did on their own. So yes, it may be that better testing will find evidence that Kara or Galen doped. But that will have nothing to do with the appeal giving USADA "more time to dig." They already have that time.

A side note: The USADA rules have time limits on investigations. I don't remember how those time limits affect retesting of samples. Maybe the original test stops those limits from running out.

OP where did you get the idea that NIKE is committed to fighting Alberto's Appeal?

That article has a sub-headline to the contrary and it reads like he's on his own as far as saving himself goes.

In any case Nike can PR this crap anyway it wants and not really do , or have any intention of doing , what they play at.

Alberto is toast.

YourAFluffer wrote:

OP where did you get the idea that NIKE is committed to fighting Alberto's Appeal?

That article has a sub-headline to the contrary and it reads like he's on his own as far as saving himself goes.

In any case Nike can PR this crap anyway it wants and not really do , or have any intention of doing , what they play at.

Alberto is toast.

The OP is a nut job who doesn't know Jack Squat.

Baseball Ain't a Sport wrote:

nike can name a building after the doping cheater sleazy sal

just like they named buildings after

the pedophile joepa

and the cheating doper armstrong

Joepa wasn't a pedophile. He was a pedophile enabler, and heartless ponce

sillyman wrote:

Baseball Ain't a Sport wrote:

nike can name a building after the doping cheater sleazy sal

just like they named buildings after

the pedophile joepa

and the cheating doper armstrong

Joepa wasn't a pedophile. He was a pedophile enabler, and heartless ponce

You drive the getaway car from a murder you get convicted of murder. Joepa was an enabler and a pedophile. In my book, he was every bit as bad and probably worse than Sandusky for going along with the crime.