‘Tragic’ for the young Ingebrigtsen

He needs to look up “tragic” in a dictionary.

efr wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

Hahahaha ??? Johaug? The punishment of Johaug, 18 months, were too lenient when she got the lipgloss from the team doctor(he bought it in Italy at a local Pharmacya) and it had no positive effect on her what so ever? Are you for real?! Its technical doping, she didnt check the label and deserved to be punished, but in no way can Johaug be said to be an enemy of fair play like those who cheats to beat their clean competitors. And THAT is why she didnt become persona non grata.

Yes, how convenient for her anabolic steroid to be present in a lip gloss that was given to her, for which the product has doping warnings on the packaging.

Life is too prescious to use time to answer pure rubbish. The amount found in her blood simple couldnt be from something else. Enlighten yourself; read the judgment.

PS; im not stupid, far from it. Ofc some Norwegians have used doping through the years. Kjærgaard admitted the use of doping 9 years after his retirement. We also had the racewalking athlete Erik Tysse and a few other individuals, but the numbers are extremely low and the professionalism of antidoping Norway is reckoned as top notch. You would be stupid to try to cheat yourself into a top athlete and combine that with a life in the open enviroment that you will find in the tiny country named Norway.

thenorwegianwayisprettyclear wrote:

The Norwegian way in soccer:

https://twitter.com/Dopinglist/status/1166067625304240134

Just to show how clueless you indeed are: That soccer player aint Norwegian and the reason behind the doping case was medicine bought and taken when he was on holiday back home in his home county in Africa.

Nor-way wrote:

And what is arrogant and unpleasant about being sad after a loss??

Referring to your own failure to medal as "tragic" requires a level of narcissism beyond my comprehension. You should be disappointed that you lost. But no normal person considers their performance to be important enough that such a loss should qualify as a tragedy.

Gabe Grunewald dying of cancer was tragic. What Jakob experienced was a bad day at work, not a tragedy.

Elvin wrote:

Nor-way wrote:

And what is arrogant and unpleasant about being sad after a loss??

Referring to your own failure to medal as "tragic" requires a level of narcissism beyond my comprehension. You should be disappointed that you lost. But no normal person considers their performance to be important enough that such a loss should qualify as a tragedy.

Gabe Grunewald dying of cancer was tragic. What Jakob experienced was a bad day at work, not a tragedy.

Are you serious? Its all about the context. Loads and loads of unimportant things can be tragic, but compared to someone dying of cancer close to nothing can be seen as tragic. Its like saying that you cant be depressed as its always someone in a worse situation as yourself. "Eat up your food, think of the starving children in Africa"

Bollocks.

Why are you so protective of this kid?? Do you even know him?

Aaleby wrote:

Elvin wrote:

Referring to your own failure to medal as "tragic" requires a level of narcissism beyond my comprehension. You should be disappointed that you lost. But no normal person considers their performance to be important enough that such a loss should qualify as a tragedy.

Gabe Grunewald dying of cancer was tragic. What Jakob experienced was a bad day at work, not a tragedy.

Are you serious? Its all about the context. Loads and loads of unimportant things can be tragic, but compared to someone dying of cancer close to nothing can be seen as tragic. Its like saying that you cant be depressed as its always someone in a worse situation as yourself. "Eat up your food, think of the starving children in Africa"

Bollocks.

No. Something that is unimportant cannot be tragic. By calling something tragic, you are necessarily saying that it is hugely important. That's just what "tragic" means.

KAV wrote:

jeff tallon wrote:

jakob is just as doped to the gills as the ethiopians.19 year olds cant run as fast as he does,without a lot of chemical help.

Considering they have been filmed by the Norwegian TV for months over the years in what is a super enterntaining "behind the scenes" series (18 episodes and counting) - the chances that they are doped are close to ZERO.... lookit up on You Tube...

Must be pretty depressing on a daily basis to have such a negative view of things....

Can you please point out the YouTube channel that contains the entire 18 episodes..? Thanks

Aaleby wrote:

Jameson wrote:

You must understand the Norwegian way. They are not bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Sky high etics and moral is the Norwegian way. Easy as that. The Norwegian folk soul looks upon sport almost as something romantic. its expected to be fought clean and with the highest level of sportmanship, and you will for sure be a persona non grata of the society if found guilty of doping.

I also believe that these baseless accusations of doping among the younger Ingebrigtsens are outrageous. That said, you tout Norwegian attributes ad nauseam and reveal a "romantic" and uncritical ("the Norwegian folk soul[!]") national bias. The traditional Norwegian way is also ideally humble and graceful... But Jakob responded without a filter after the race and revealed that he feels entitled to victories over "dem som e dårligere enn mæ". His unscripted response is understandable, human. But, traditionally, sportsmanship should compel athletes to take frustration with grace. That kind of emotion would be very un-Norwegian twenty or thirty years ago. Of course, culture is in continual flux. But one shouldn't invoke romantic, historical notions of culture without reflecting over their contemporary relevance. Nordstad Moen's behavior seems like a relic by comparison, and all respect to him for that! I'm sure he suspects doping among his competitors, but it's hard to imagine such an outburst from him. Norgeass

This doesn't apply to Jakob, but rather to your assertion on Norwegian views on doping: In recent years, Norwegians have defended of grey areas when it concerns Norwegians, perhaps with good reason. Hypothetically, however, I suspect that if Alberto Salazar was named Arnljot Saltfjell, the grey areas cited in the recent report would certainly be relativized and defended by many Norwegians. I agree, doping is not a culture in Norway, but your views are perhaps too categorical.

YMMV wrote:

If the Ingebrigtsens were doping in Doha, they were not on the good stuff, that's for sure.

That Kenya and the other Africans continue to laugh in the face of testing is the modern scourge of our sport, now that Russia has been relegated, and the other former Eastern Bloc countries are chastened. We need to ban countries that don't fully comply with wherabouts and full testing protocol. This includes all of the African nations, and Europeans and others that train in Africa. That place is a shitehole of easily-obtained drugs and easy escape from testing.

https://lawm.sportschau.de/doha2019/videos_audios/English-version-Top-secret-Doping-trace-to-North-Africa,lawmdoha1372.html

Bro,

WTF???? Just because Africa doesn’t conform to western ideals doesn’t mean it’s a “shitehole”. What is wrong with you

Aaleby wrote:

Elvin wrote:

Referring to your own failure to medal as "tragic" requires a level of narcissism beyond my comprehension. You should be disappointed that you lost. But no normal person considers their performance to be important enough that such a loss should qualify as a tragedy.

Gabe Grunewald dying of cancer was tragic. What Jakob experienced was a bad day at work, not a tragedy.

Are you serious? Its all about the context. Loads and loads of unimportant things can be tragic, but compared to someone dying of cancer close to nothing can be seen as tragic. Its like saying that you cant be depressed as its always someone in a worse situation as yourself. "Eat up your food, think of the starving children in Africa"

Bollocks.

Something is lost in translation. Tragisk is used more regularly in Norwegian, with fewer emotional connotations, than in English. Elvin's view, based on the translation, is reasonable. But there is nuance lost in the translation.

VAboi wrote:

Bro,

WTF???? Just because Africa doesn’t conform to western ideals doesn’t mean it’s a “shitehole”. What is wrong with you

The number of people willing to risk their lives during the escape from this continent suggests otherwise.

Sunnmoeresannhetskommisjon wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

Are you serious? Its all about the context. Loads and loads of unimportant things can be tragic, but compared to someone dying of cancer close to nothing can be seen as tragic. Its like saying that you cant be depressed as its always someone in a worse situation as yourself. "Eat up your food, think of the starving children in Africa"

Bollocks.

Something is lost in translation. Tragisk is used more regularly in Norwegian, with fewer emotional connotations, than in English. Elvin's view, based on the translation, is reasonable. But there is nuance lost in the translation.

Did he use the English word, or did he say "tragisk" in the interview? The use of quotes in the article suggest that he used the English word. If he said "tragisk" and they translated it to tragic, it would no longer be a quote and presumably would not be placed in quotation marks.

Sunnmoeresannhetskommisjon wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

Sky high etics and moral is the Norwegian way. Easy as that. The Norwegian folk soul looks upon sport almost as something romantic. its expected to be fought clean and with the highest level of sportmanship, and you will for sure be a persona non grata of the society if found guilty of doping.

but your views are perhaps too categorical.

First of all; great post ? Ofc my views can be seen as categorical. Its more like a truth with modifications. And yes, its human to think the best of those close to yourself. Thats why so many tends to defend people like the Norwegian version of Alberto Salazar. Still, its a fact that the stand against doping differ a lot from country to country. In Norway its close to unthinkable that a top Norwegian athlete could be cheating. Not just because we are naive, but because of our culture and folk soul.

Wow, you are such a tough guy, Jameson. And what are YOU bringing to the table, other than completely

laughable accusations without any proof whatsoever? Nothing.

Jakob said:

Tragic

is this the right translation?

Jakob was talking norwegian to norwegian televisian so he said TRAGISK in norwegian and

as all norwegians know - we use that word a lot. Especially young norwegians.

"There was no Cola Zero left in the shop - its tragic!" that would be a completely normal

way of complaining about small, non-important issues in Norway.

(That this show how spoiled and clueless they are about REAL tragic events, is another discussion...)

Coevett wrote:

Hopefully Jakob and his father have realized that you can't run the 5000m in Doha, trying to beat juiced to the gills Epiopians, and then be surprised when you're too tired to prevent yourself being robbed of a medal in the 1500m 3 days later by a doped to the gills Algerian.

What's really tragic is how someone - such as Coevett - is able to live with the world's lowest intelligence.

Jakob is significantly more doped than anyone else on that track. The evidence is right there in front of you.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Hopefully Jakob and his father have realized that you can't run the 5000m in Doha, trying to beat juiced to the gills Epiopians, and then be surprised when you're too tired to prevent yourself being robbed of a medal in the 1500m 3 days later by a doped to the gills Algerian.

What's really tragic is how someone - such as Coevett - is able to live with the world's lowest intelligence.

Jakob is significantly more doped than anyone else on that track. The evidence is right there in front of you.

Please enlighten those of us with the worlds lowest intelligence; what is this evidence?