Nico Young just went 13:39 at Woodbridge

Pro Team workz wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

About 99% of the runners who broke 9:00 in HS history did not spend a month running at altitude during the summer. It makes no difference. Having a camp might motivate some of the kids to run more than they would have on their own, but that's about it.

That's a pretty dumb argument. 99.99% of kids in HS history did not spend a month running at altitude. So obviously 99% of runners who broke 9:00 didn't do that. Doesn't mean it can't help a kid break 9 who wouldn't have otherwise.

You really believe a month is going to make any difference? There are no studies that support that it does.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Pro Team workz wrote:

That's a pretty dumb argument. 99.99% of kids in HS history did not spend a month running at altitude. So obviously 99% of runners who broke 9:00 didn't do that. Doesn't mean it can't help a kid break 9 who wouldn't have otherwise.

You really believe a month is going to make any difference? There are no studies that support that it does.

Yes. 100% I think a 4 weeks of living with a team and doing nothing else except for training is going to improve a high school runner. You don't need studies to support that having a team training like a pro team while in high school is going to make them better.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

About 99% of the runners who broke 9:00 in HS history did not spend a month running at altitude during the summer. It makes no difference. Having a camp might motivate some of the kids to run more than they would have on their own, but that's about it.

Honestly, even if that is all it does, that seems like a pretty big benefit for the team.

Pro Team workz wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

You really believe a month is going to make any difference? There are no studies that support that it does.

Yes. 100% I think a 4 weeks of living with a team and doing nothing else except for training is going to improve a high school runner. You don't need studies to support that having a team training like a pro team while in high school is going to make them better.

Doesn’t make it wrong, but looks like there is a big divergence from the norm of typical high school athletics. Making the commitment to a month of training at a remote location is fairly extreme. The time and financial resources are probably beyond most team’s means. Based on athletic.net, they have very small teams for a school the size of Newbury Park. They have 17 boys who are not freshmen and only 7 girls who are not freshmen from a school of 2,500. Either most kids don’t enjoy it, aren’t welcome or the the commitment required is just too much. High school sports is supposed to about more than a select group of kids training like pros.

The speed ratings from Woodbridge are out, Nico Young was rated at 197, the best so far this year by 4 points, or 12 seconds.

Saw It in Person wrote:

I don’t care what you say about “waaa, the course is short.”

That course is 2.9 miles at the most, so he ran no faster than 4:40 to 4:42 mile pace.

It will be amazing to watch Nico run this year. California is loaded.

Stop whining. Do what it takes to win.

LA wrote:

Leave it to the beaver wrote:

Doesn’t make it wrong, but looks like there is a big divergence from the norm of typical high school athletics. Making the commitment to a month of training at a remote location is fairly extreme. The time and financial resources are probably beyond most team’s means. Based on athletic.net, they have very small teams for a school the size of Newbury Park. They have 17 boys who are not freshmen and only 7 girls who are not freshmen from a school of 2,500. Either most kids don’t enjoy it, aren’t welcome or the the commitment required is just too much. High school sports is supposed to about more than a select group of kids training like pros.

Stop whining. Do what it takes to win.

I think that’s the Beave’s point. Most high school programs won’t go the the extremes of someone like Newbury Park because they value what high school sports are supposed to be about. Not winning at all or any costs, like recruiting or taking 14 year olds to a precessional style altitude camp for a month.

I could only wish that my high school coach would have cared enough to do something like that. Look how much it paid off!

Pro Team workz wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

You really believe a month is going to make any difference? There are no studies that support that it does.

Yes. 100% I think a 4 weeks of living with a team and doing nothing else except for training is going to improve a high school runner. You don't need studies to support that having a team training like a pro team while in high school is going to make them better.

What does training like a pro team mean? Unless they aren't worried about injuries they won't run anymore than they would had they trained as a team at home. They can't train all day long just because they were at a camp. They obviously had a lot of free time to hike, swim and hang out. I read that German Fernandez's full-time training, as a pro, included many hours of video games.

Probably the biggest benifit was developing some camaraderie.

Exactly! As a pro, German’s job was to train and recover. As a high schooler, he worked at Applebee’s. He had a job like the majority of high schoolers. No prescribed supplements, cryotherapy treatments, etc. He didn’t go to altitude camp for a month to train and recover. Newbury Park lived the life of pro runners this summer. Just not a possible reality for most high schoolers for many reasons. You can’t deny it was an advantage unavailable to most.

Most don't live basically at sea level, and manage to drive to 7,000 feet in 90 minutes.

Neither do they.

Some high school kids go to summer camps all summer for recreation, or to “work” as counselors (and get paid almost nothing). When I was in HS, I did that, and also did 2-4 weeks at a hockey camp and yes, a week of our HS soccer team at a sleep away camp as a team. We were an average team, weren’t wealthy. What these guys (NP) did isn’t much different.

Riblets wrote:

Neither do they.

Cloudburst summit is 1:45 drive from Newbury Park.

Not even close. Certain kids or families do those type of summer activities. Really good programs take a week and go the mountains or some other place. It is an extreme situation to get the 11 top runners to commit to a month at an altitude training camp. Don’t take it as being a bad thing. It’s awesome for those kids, but it’s a big advantage that is not feasible in all but a tiny percentage of situations.

This thread is horribly off topic. Anyway, is there any video of Nico's run?

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