Shannon MF Osika

Jo72 wrote:

Grace should switch to the steeplechase. If one of the US top three is injured, she could get a spot for Tokyo with 9:20.

Oh my god this these people on this thread.... switching to steeple chase less than a year before the Olympic trials would be the dumbest career decision she could make.

Wait-a-sec wrote:

Mgobooze wrote:

Wow , that is MF worthy !!

She ran 4:13 in college

4:01.8 is about the same as a 3:36.56 for a male runner. National class. Good, but not that great, but she could drop 3-4 seconds next year and become world class.

Not an accurate comparison at all. The Olympic standard for women is 4:04.2, for the men it’s 3:35.0. She ran 2.4 seconds faster than the Olympic standard, so I’d equate that to a 3:32-3:33 for a man.

Absolute textbook running form:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnWbI93FGZl/?utm_source=ig_embed

Osika is very light on her feet . Great running style especially when finishing . Surprised she got to 401 , that surprised everyone and probably her as well

fadsfdssdf wrote:

She's already world class, she just ran 4:01. If you don't understand that 4:01 is great you need to learn more about our sport.

It all depends on what you mean by world class. When I hear world class, I think of someone who is competitive in the top international races, someone who finishes in the top 3 in a DL/WC/OG race.

By that definition, a PB of 4:01 is not world class. No American with a PB over 4:01 has finished top three in a DL/WC/OG race. And all of the Americans who've run under 4:01 in the last decade have.

You must have a different definition.

I disagree. I am a fan of both Ellie and Shannon.

1) I didn’t see Ellie’s Rome run, but I did watch the 5th Ave mile - Ellie was not drafting on Jenny, she was the co-aggressor and they would not have run so fast without her.

2) Ellie ran her Olympic Standard 5K in ~Boston from the front all the way

2b) Drafting to fast times is optimal, but running to easy victories when in top form can be big PRs. I know I’ve done that a handful of times.

Lastly, I think Ellie is a 5K runner with darn good speed.

Shannon seems to be more of a pure 1500/miler. With sublime form, as noted.

Mgobooze wrote:

Wow , that is MF worthy !!

She ran 4:13 in college

Shannon Rowbury was a 4:12 runner in college.

I don’t like the label MF wrote:

I am a fan of both Ellie and Shannon.

It's Elinor, not Eleanor, so you'd think it'd be Ellie, but it's not. It's Elle.

The suggestion to try steeple was a joke (admittedly lame). Mostly (see below).

Osika now seems #3 in the US 1500m and with younger ones like Hiltz, Purrier, Efraimson, Johnson etc. continuing to improve, it's not going to get easy for anyone to earn their spot.

With the extraordinary depth of US women in the 1500/5k, I am in fact surprised that there is an almost 20 sec. gap in the steeple after Quigley and that not more women around the 4th-10th best in the 1500/5k try steeplechase. Ostrander got the 4th spot in the steeple with 9:31 and look how many women with comparably MUCH better 1500m times that than like Grace and Osika will not go to Doha.

Mike McGuire must be a pretty good 1500 coach and they have a nice little group going it seems like.

Clear-eyed Osika fan wrote:

fadsfdssdf wrote:

She's already world class, she just ran 4:01. If you don't understand that 4:01 is great you need to learn more about our sport.

It all depends on what you mean by world class. When I hear world class, I think of someone who is competitive in the top international races, someone who finishes in the top 3 in a DL/WC/OG race.

By that definition, a PB of 4:01 is not world class. No American with a PB over 4:01 has finished top three in a DL/WC/OG race. And all of the Americans who've run under 4:01 in the last decade have.

You must have a different definition.

Yes we all have the correct definition, not the one you made up to fit your weird set of rules.

She's world class...she has the A standard for the Olympics. She is among the best runners in the world. That is world class.

ffasdfsadfsadf wrote:

You do the math wrote:

And, as has been pointed out endlessly here, those two or three seconds are very hard to get. Only seven American women have gone under 4:00.

To put this in perspective. Osika is 26. Her biggest accomplishment is running 4:01.80.

When Morgan Uceny was 26, she won 3 DL races.

4:01 at 26 is awesome, I'm sure Osika will remember to stay on her feet during the championship races that matter.

Let's not forget that Osika finished 3rd at US Indoors last year behind only Houlihan and Quigley, and initially thought she'd made the World team until Houlihan decided to run the 1500/3000 double.

Currently #19 in the world.

https://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/middle-long/1500-metres/outdoor/women/senior/2019?regionType=world&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true

Awesome progression! Hope to see it continue

That IAAF list for 2019 has 29 USA women in the top-100.

100th place is a USA woman at 4:10.01

Next best are Kenya & Ethiopia with 12 each.

Further evidence 2019 is likely best year ever for US women's 1500.

If anyone has comparable lists from year's past, please post.

Wait-a-sec wrote:

Mgobooze wrote:

Wow , that is MF worthy !!

She ran 4:13 in college

4:01.8 is about the same as a 3:36.56 for a male runner. National class. Good, but not that great, but she could drop 3-4 seconds next year and become world class.

Not in terms of depth. 4:01.8 put her 19th in the world. The 19th fastest man in the world this year has run 3:33.91

rojo wrote:

Wait-a-sec wrote:

4:01.8 is about the same as a 3:36.56 for a male runner. National class. Good, but not that great, but she could drop 3-4 seconds next year and become world class.

Not in terms of depth. 4:01.8 put her 19th in the world. The 19th fastest man in the world this year has run 3:33.91

Interesting discussion about world class meaning. 230 seconds x 1.03 - 3:56.9 206 x 1.03 -3:32.18 It may be a question of depth, tougher I think for a male runner with 3:32.18 to win a medal at Oly or worlds or elite diamond race. Then again, they are often tactical so who knows. Based on % of M and W world records 3:56.9 = 3:32.18. Seems to me those are elite times and talent and World class. Making it the Olympic trials or some heat at world's doesn't make you World class in my view. Fast as heck and talented for sure though.

4:01.8 is at least 5.13% slower than the WR. list: 861 performance. I thought Men and women's times were about 11% different. The 3K world records are 10.45% separated. 3:32.18 is 604th performance, not performer. 3:56.9 for women is 56th. That would be more like 3:29.18 for men. I honestly don't know exactly what world class is, but I think it has to be way up there. IAAF list shows # 100 3:31.81 and for women 100 is 3:59.81. I think that is a good standard for world class definition.

Quite simply, if you make the standard for participation in the Olympics or World Champs, you are on the world stage, i.e. world class. It isn't that complicated.

Also, Osika now 14th on all-time US list:

https://www.iaaf.org/records/all-time-toplists/middle-long/1500-metres/outdoor/women/senior?regionType=countries&region=usa&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=1899-12-31&lastDay=2019-09-16

Note that Schneider, Purrier & Grace are right behind her . . . and Grace just outsprinted Osika rather substantially at the US-Euro meet last week