Jeff Albertson wrote:
Why would a female 1500/5000m runner want to take shots at a male 100m runner by calling him either a cheater or an idiot?
On top of everything else about Jenny, we also now know that she’s racist.
That's one of the reasons she picked Colorado.
Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:
It's interesting to hear Simpson's take on how the whereabouts system works. She states toward the end of the article, "If you miss three tests, it’s either because you’re cheating or because you’re an idiot and under both circumstances, you shouldn’t be able to compete.”
Typical` wrote:
Simpson's trying to game the system, the same that she's always been doing.
She's always been a cheater, and will always be a cheater. I have no respect for her.
For whatever reasons, she's blatantly trying to taint the testing process.
Colorado does not have a racist team and Mark Wetmore would never allow for that on his team. He also has no tolerance for dopers. Basically you need to stop lying.
Yep ... wrote:
Jeff Albertson wrote:
Why would a female 1500/5000m runner want to take shots at a male 100m runner by calling him either a cheater or an idiot?
On top of everything else about Jenny, we also now know that she’s racist.
That's one of the reasons she picked Colorado.
You are a con artist wrote:
Colorado does not have a racist team
Ummmm..... ever heard of Jackie Zeigle?
Or just do a search of Salvador Capetillo on this board.
Would you at least concede this fact?: Colorado has had multiple instances of racist behavior on its team.
I think that they might show up 5 minutes after the 60min window on purpose because it means that athletes have an hour to get home. So if the athlete messes up, they get a little leeway. If the athlete is dodging the test, they will still miss it. But if the athlete wants to be tested, they've got an extra hour to get back home.
You are a con artist wrote:
Colorado does not have a racist team and Mark Wetmore would never allow for that on his team. He also has no tolerance for dopers. Basically you need to stop lying.
Yep ... wrote:
That's one of the reasons she picked Colorado.
why does everything in the US eventually revert back to a discussion about race?
can't people there have opinions without it being race related?
is the problem really that bad?
Or they could just use the Targetted Testing (like Coleman is now under) as the IST suggests,
i'm kinda glad i don't live in America wrote:
You are a con artist wrote:
Colorado does not have a racist team and Mark Wetmore would never allow for that on his team. He also has no tolerance for dopers. Basically you need to stop lying.
why does everything in the US eventually revert back to a discussion about race?
can't people there have opinions without it being race related?
is the problem really that bad?
Some individuals just want to bring up race constantly. If you look through Jeff Albertson's posting history, you'll see he likes to belittle white people. He's an exception, not the norm.
Go Jenny
Twig Mzungu wrote:
When you put it that way it sounds innocuous, but inconsistencies and wiggle room are an issue because they introduce the possibility of bias and favoritism. Do you get this flexibility if you don't live in Boulder? If you haven't been in the sport for as long as Jenny? If you weren't brought up expecting people to do you favors? And yes, it's worth asking, might you miss out on some of this lenience if you're black?
If you're making career-defining decisions based on doping control, it has to be uniform. Absolutely, for everyone, every single time. It doesn't take robots and self-driving cars, just detailed rules that are followed to the letter.
Precisely.
Totally agree. Which is why it's totally fair that Christian Coleman is not banned and the triathlete Lauren Goss is. Following detailed rules..
In all fairness to Coleman, he does seem like an idiot...(see Simpson’s quote)
I mostly agree with what everyone else is saying, but the one thing I don't get is why it's a filing failure when they can't find you outside of the 60-minute period. Except for the backdating, this is equivalent to a missed test.
Doesn't that seem weird? I thought that the whole point of the 60-minute window was that at all other times you could just live your life without needing to be in the right place at the right time. Like what if you set your window to the morning at your house, and the testers come by in the evening and you're not there. And maybe they call you, but your phone is dead?
Does that count as a filing failure? It sounds ridiculous. Why would the testers have the right to tell you where you must be at all hours of the day? I must be missing something because it doesn't sounds like this ever actually happens in practice.
sad,,, wrote:
Jeff Albertson wrote:
Why would a female 1500/5000m runner want to take shots at a male 100m runner by calling him either a cheater or an idiot?
On top of everything else about Jenny, we also now know that she’s racist.
She didn't mention anything about race. She is speaking from the point of view from a pro runner and her view if another pro runner missed 3 test. This is modern dialog and what's currently wrong with America, if you can't make a coherent argument against someone just call them a racist, bigot etc. Sad.
Until recently "ad hominem" was a fallacy and clowns would be shot down very quickly and barred from debating.
Pound Dick wrote:
Totally agree. Which is why it's totally fair that Christian Coleman is not banned and the triathlete Lauren Goss is. Following detailed rules..
Coleman is clearly a cheat. His coach is a cheat and his mentor is a cheat.
Jeff Albertson wrote:
On top of everything else about Jenny, we also now know that she’s racist.
Godwin's Law (Revised 2017)
A term that originated on Usenet, Godwin's Law states that as an online argument grows longer and more heated, it becomes increasingly likely that somebody will bring up Adolf Hitler. the Nazis, KKK or attemt to denigrate honest philosophical differences by accusing the other party of racism or fascism.
When such an event occurs, the person guilty of invoking Godwin's Law has effectively forfeited the argument.
JohnMD1022 wrote:
Jeff Albertson wrote:
On top of everything else about Jenny, we also now know that she’s racist.
Godwin's Law (Revised 2017)
A term that originated on Usenet, Godwin's Law states that as an online argument grows longer and more heated, it becomes increasingly likely that somebody will bring up Adolf Hitler. the Nazis, KKK or attemt to denigrate honest philosophical differences by accusing the other party of racism or fascism.
When such an event occurs, the person guilty of invoking Godwin's Law has effectively forfeited the argument.
What's new? This has been going on forever. ?
automorphic wrote:
I mostly agree with what everyone else is saying, but the one thing I don't get is why it's a filing failure when they can't find you outside of the 60-minute period. Except for the backdating, this is equivalent to a missed test.
Doesn't that seem weird? I thought that the whole point of the 60-minute window was that at all other times you could just live your life without needing to be in the right place at the right time. Like what if you set your window to the morning at your house, and the testers come by in the evening and you're not there. And maybe they call you, but your phone is dead?
Does that count as a filing failure? It sounds ridiculous. Why would the testers have the right to tell you where you must be at all hours of the day? I must be missing something because it doesn't sounds like this ever actually happens in practice.
The idea is that precise location for 1 hour of the day and general location the other 23 hours of the day is a reasonable trade-off to ensure that professional athletes are living the life of a professional as they've been asked to do per a generally agreed upon set of rules in regards to doping. There are certain prohibited substances that can clear in less than 24 hours, which is why they want to keep the threat of being able to test someone at all times of day. I'm glad to be subjected to such a set of rules in my own life. However, if I were a professional athlete I would accept that it's part of the lifestyle sacrifice that helps me play on a more level field. It's not perfect, but it does help prevent doping from being absolutely rampant, which is especially critical in protecting women so that don't have to do masculinizing drugs to be able to compete in the sport they love and are naturally gifted at.
Anyway, I think the idea is they usually test very close to the 1 hour specific testing window, because as Jenny Simpson said, they want to find you, presumably without going through some big hassle for either them or the athlete. The testers aren't trying to be jerks about it and in fact they may be going too far the other way at times bending over backwards. That is what starts to add some potential bias to what is supposed to be a strictly scientific process. I guess that's life though, as has been said earlier.
In only editing was possible. Maybe future technology will allow for such a thing.
To be clear I meant to say "I'm glad to NOT be subjected to such a set of rules in my own life."
Subway Surfers wrote:
Coleman is clearly a cheat. His coach is a cheat and his mentor is a cheat.
+1
Not to mention his Tennessee buddy Gatlin. Will be fun if those two go 1-2 at worlds.
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