Marco Arop; running 3 years, wins Pan Am 800m in 1:44.25.

Never seen him run but obviously he's incredibly talented.

Also from my hometown and ran for the same club as I.

You mention 3 years, I could see someone running a 1:44 in 2 years, maybe even 1 year if they were extremely talented.

Could have broke 1:44, he coasted in the last bit once he was in the lead.

Too long of a season for Hoppel. He will be lucky to make the semis at Worlds.

He was born in Sudan and reminds me of Charles Jock, another tall 800m runner from Sudan. Jock ran 1:44 to get second at NCAA's years ago. Arop ran 47.39 last year, but he has really come along. Surprising to see Hoppel completely out of it on the second lap. He looks like he really needs to take a short break and get back into hard training for World's refreshed.

Did he grow up playing soccer?

porpla wrote:

Too long of a season for Hoppel. He will be lucky to make the semis at Worlds.

That may be true but it’s not the reason his race went bad. The move he made from 350-400 fighting too hard for that position in an already hot race was wasted energy. His best race model is the Come from the back model and when you run well that way you don’t start making a move until 300 to go and it’s gradual then hard at 150. You make a hard push with 400 to go you’re just asking to fade the last 150 and that’s exactly what he did. Needs to take a few weeks work on Lactic threshold, some quicker 150s with full recovery and race his model and he’ll be fine

Some people have it wrote:

How is this possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ogrJxfCe_Rg

By your calculations (since we are in 2019) he ran 1:47 in his first year of running.

He has been around awhile and well known in SEC. Finished 2nd at 2018 NCAA Outdoors and 2nd at 2019 NCAA Indoors, so don't act like he came out of nowhere.

He is a fine runner, a very fine runner, with running form to match. If he was female, LetsRunners would call him fat.

Forecasting tornados wrote:

porpla wrote:

Too long of a season for Hoppel. He will be lucky to make the semis at Worlds.

That may be true but it’s not the reason his race went bad. The move he made from 350-400 fighting too hard for that position in an already hot race was wasted energy. His best race model is the Come from the back model and when you run well that way you don’t start making a move until 300 to go and it’s gradual then hard at 150. You make a hard push with 400 to go you’re just asking to fade the last 150 and that’s exactly what he did. Needs to take a few weeks work on Lactic threshold, some quicker 150s with full recovery and race his model and he’ll be fine

At least he honored a commitment.

Mal Content wrote:

Some people have it wrote:

How is this possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ogrJxfCe_Rg

By your calculations (since we are in 2019) he ran 1:47 in his first year of running.

He has been around awhile and well known in SEC. Finished 2nd at 2018 NCAA Outdoors and 2nd at 2019 NCAA Indoors, so don't act like he came out of nowhere.

He is a fine runner, a very fine runner, with running form to match. If he was female, LetsRunners would call him fat.

https://hailstate.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4822

It's true and completely insane ... first year running was 2016.

If you have elite genetics and you start at that age that's plenty of time to reach that level.

Why would you need much more time?

grazley wrote:

Mal Content wrote:

By your calculations (since we are in 2019) he ran 1:47 in his first year of running.

He has been around awhile and well known in SEC. Finished 2nd at 2018 NCAA Outdoors and 2nd at 2019 NCAA Indoors, so don't act like he came out of nowhere.

He is a fine runner, a very fine runner, with running form to match. If he was female, LetsRunners would call him fat.

https://hailstate.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4822

It's true and completely insane ... first year running was 2016.

Rudisha-like early capabilty (David ran something like 1:50 on dirt first TT ever). I wonder if he is of Massai backround?

...and he ran on the outside of lane 1 in corners 2 and 4.

I am sure that he ran the first 800m of that race in less than 1:44

Here's a good article that gets into Arop's background https://www.thestar.com/sports/2018/07/08/theres-nothing-middling-about-marco-arops-debut-in-800-metres.html.

fano wrote:

Here's a good article that gets into Arop's background

https://www.thestar.com/sports/2018/07/08/theres-nothing-middling-about-marco-arops-debut-in-800-metres.html

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"Dabbled in track in elementary and junior high"

YMMV wrote:

grazley wrote:

It's true and completely insane ... first year running was 2016.

Rudisha-like early capabilty (David ran something like 1:50 on dirt first TT ever). I wonder if he is of Massai backround?

Lol not every talented, black middle distance runner is Kenyan. He’s from Sudan (already earlier mentioned in this thread) and moved to Canada when he was really young.

PrZ wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Rudisha-like early capabilty (David ran something like 1:50 on dirt first TT ever). I wonder if he is of Massai backround?

Lol not every talented, black middle distance runner is Kenyan. He’s from Sudan (already earlier mentioned in this thread) and moved to Canada when he was really young.

Fair enough. He seems really tall for a Kenyan, too tall for Kalenjin, hence the guess about Maasai. Sudanese and some Somalis are also often tall, should have considered that.

Some people have it wrote:

How is this possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ogrJxfCe_Rg

I just wonder what coach js could do if coaching him. New world record?

Forecasting tornados wrote:

porpla wrote:

Too long of a season for Hoppel. He will be lucky to make the semis at Worlds.

That may be true but it’s not the reason his race went bad. The move he made from 350-400 fighting too hard for that position in an already hot race was wasted energy. His best race model is the Come from the back model and when you run well that way you don’t start making a move until 300 to go and it’s gradual then hard at 150. You make a hard push with 400 to go you’re just asking to fade the last 150 and that’s exactly what he did. Needs to take a few weeks work on Lactic threshold, some quicker 150s with full recovery and race his model and he’ll be fine

That and his need to crush qualifying heats doesn't help. But at least he doesn't risk not advancing.

His coach told me 2:06 in his first 800m - ended that first year at 1:47 for a new Canadian U18 record. Yep, he is a talent.