Women in America can get a full ride scholarship with a 23min 5k, discuss.

We haven't have a merit based academic system for a long time. The Left continues to reward the allegedly oppressed over proven overachievers.

Women are just bad athletes

Why does it matter to you so much? More women being involved in running =/= hurting women’s ditance running.

23 is fairly decent for a woman, probably akin to a male running 19ish. Definitely not world beating but you have to be in respectable shape and somewhat dedicated to the sport to even achieve these times, you aren’t just rolling out of bed and doing it.

What do you run? A 15:30 5k? 70 mile weeks? Compared to the real dogs that might as-well be a 23-24 5k. Stop taking yourself so seriously, sport in general is meant to be enjoyed and help humans grow not only physically but mentally and spiritually, let the slower racers enjoy participating in the sport without criticism, those scholarships won’t last forever and you’re only get to experience it once. It doesn’t affect you.

People actually believe stories like this. Some girl wins the 3200 at her conference meet in HS in 14 minutes and then finds a crappy D1 school. Everybody in town assumes the girl is on full scholarship.

RayD wrote:

23 is fairly decent for a woman, probably akin to a male running 19ish. Definitely not world beating but you have to be in respectable shape and somewhat dedicated to the sport to even achieve these times, you aren’t just rolling out of bed and doing it.

No it's not. It's a horrible time even for a JV high schooler.

RayD wrote:

Why does it matter to you so much? More women being involved in running =/= hurting women’s ditance running.

23 is fairly decent for a woman, probably akin to a male running 19ish. Definitely not world beating but you have to be in respectable shape and somewhat dedicated to the sport to even achieve these times, you aren’t just rolling out of bed and doing it.

What do you run? A 15:30 5k? 70 mile weeks? Compared to the real dogs that might as-well be a 23-24 5k. Stop taking yourself so seriously, sport in general is meant to be enjoyed and help humans grow not only physically but mentally and spiritually, let the slower racers enjoy participating in the sport without criticism, those scholarships won’t last forever and you’re only get to experience it once. It doesn’t affect you.

When I was in HS, I did roll out of bed and run 19ish for 5k.

RayD wrote:

Why does it matter to you so much? More women being involved in running =/= hurting women’s ditance running.

23 is fairly decent for a woman, probably akin to a male running 19ish. Definitely not world beating but you have to be in respectable shape and somewhat dedicated to the sport to even achieve these times, you aren’t just rolling out of bed and doing it.

What do you run? A 15:30 5k? 70 mile weeks? Compared to the real dogs that might as-well be a 23-24 5k. Stop taking yourself so seriously, sport in general is meant to be enjoyed and help humans grow not only physically but mentally and spiritually, let the slower racers enjoy participating in the sport without criticism, those scholarships won’t last forever and you’re only get to experience it once. It doesn’t affect you.

Not even close to good. Firmly midpack and I coach in a small conference in the Midwest. This student is probably barely able to walk on and she might run in a couple meets her whole freshman season. Whatever, this is probably a troll post and I bit. Just look up 2018 results any state and see what a 23:00 5k gets you. Mid-pack in the JV race.

Full ride scholarship wrote:

I have a friend who consistently runs 23-24 min Cc 5ks and has a full ride scholarship to a smaller school.

Anyone else fee this is extremely unacceptable and is hurting women’s distance running? When we lower our standards to such bad times it surely is hurting the sport m.

The only hurting I see is that you're butt-hurt that you weren't good enough to get a scholarship.

Full ride scholarship wrote:

I have a friend who consistently runs 23-24 min Cc 5ks and has a full ride scholarship to a smaller school.

Anyone else fee this is extremely unacceptable and is hurting women’s distance running? When we lower our standards to such bad times it surely is hurting the sport m.

I feel like it's perfectly acceptable. The school wanted to giver her a scholarship so they did. End of story. Don't be mad, life isn't a zero sum game.

anyone else feel the OP isn't all that concerned about the future women's distance running?

let me guess.....you friend is also a pretty decent 800m runner and you conveniently left that part out....

No they can’t. False premise.

I think for a decent HS athlete, 19:00 IS a rollout of bed time.....in fact it may be THE roll out of bed time.

For example, if there was an decent athlete from another sport and someone asked me what they could run in the 5k untrained in the off season I would probably guess 19:00-19:30 as the mid point.

Yes, 19 minutes is a more likely minimum for a full-ride scholarship and there might be some academic or financials

worked in along with the athletic part.

anyone else? wrote:

Full ride scholarship wrote:

I have a friend who consistently runs 23-24 min Cc 5ks and has a full ride scholarship to a smaller school.

Anyone else fee this is extremely unacceptable and is hurting women’s distance running? When we lower our standards to such bad times it surely is hurting the sport m.

I feel like it's perfectly acceptable. The school wanted to giver her a scholarship so they did. End of story. Don't be mad, life isn't a zero sum game.

anyone else feel the OP isn't all that concerned about the future women's distance running?

let me guess.....you friend is also a pretty decent 800m runner and you conveniently left that part out....

23 minutes would be embarrassingly bad even for decent 800m runner.

Full ride scholarship wrote:

I have a friend who consistently runs 23-24 min Cc 5ks and has a full ride scholarship to a smaller school.

Anyone else fee this is extremely unacceptable and is hurting women’s distance running? When we lower our standards to such bad times it surely is hurting the sport m.

The problem is that these low-tier schools just recruit locally. If the school is in the middle of nowhere and nothing special academically the demand will be extremely low. And in a small city there might only be a handful of fast girls running.

What these schools need to understand is that there are plenty of girls in the 16:30-18:30 range in Europe who would instantly accept a full ride scholarship to a US college. Many colleges recruit these girls, mostly D2/D3 schools. Top EU/AUS girls will of course still go to the big D1 teams, but those at the slower end of the range can still be picked up and would be much better for the team/sport, and even diversity in college than going for the local 23/24 min American girls.

roll over, roll over wrote:

I think for a decent HS athlete, 19:00 IS a rollout of bed time.....in fact it may be THE roll out of bed time.

For example, if there was an decent athlete from another sport and someone asked me what they could run in the 5k untrained in the off season I would probably guess 19:00-19:30 as the mid point.

19:00 is pathetically bad. My first XC time-trial in HS, after maybe 10mpw in middle school with no running at all in the summer or winters, I did like 17:50, in regular running shoes.

roll over, roll over wrote:

sub 19:00 wrote:

When I was in HS, I did roll out of bed and run 19ish for 5k.

I think for a decent HS athlete, 19:00 IS a rollout of bed time.....in fact it may be THE roll out of bed time.

For example, if there was an decent athlete from another sport and someone asked me what they could run in the 5k untrained in the off season I would probably guess 19:00-19:30 as the mid point.

Exactly, if a DECENT ATHLETE ran a 5k. You said it yourself right there.

It is a good time relative to 99% of people. Just hecause it’s a time that sucks in a competitive athletic setting doesn’t mean it isn’t decent. Even the back of the back HS runners are decent compared to an average human and a 19 minute 5k puts you in the top 5% of all runners, fact.

I never said it was fast, I just said decent.

The girl ran 53 in the 400 in HS.

College boiii wrote:

Honestly, most college girls can’t break 18-20 min 5k even well trained, they are just different then men when it times to distance running.

20 min 5k is in the top 1 % of all women who run a 5k.

I’m guessing you’re not studying English in college.

Luv2Run wrote:

Full ride scholarship wrote:

I have a friend who consistently runs 23-24 min Cc 5ks and has a full ride scholarship to a smaller school.

Anyone else fee this is extremely unacceptable and is hurting women’s distance running? When we lower our standards to such bad times it surely is hurting the sport m.

I am skeptical that the scholarship is running related. For one thing, how many D1 track athletes get a "full ride"? With track limited to 12.3 (I think that is right) grants-in-aid. One person getting a full ride means that everyone else on the team is cutting his/her $ cut by 1/12 (and here I am assuming the athletic dept is fully funding all 12.3). That one runner had better score a boat load of points!

Now they might have put together a package of financial aid that all adds up.

Title 9. They have to spend the money some how. There are plenty of 'rowers' who gained access to money. If you know what I mean