Medicare-for-All would cost someone earning about $100,000 annually an extra $20,000 per year in medical expenses.

Yeah, I'm really excited about Pan-Am's this weekend too! Running is fun!

Don't forget 10-15% for property taxes if you own.

All by design...to become a slave to the state. Unless you revolt. But that won't happen since most are getting dumbed down.

Would this Medicare-for-All cover running related injuries along with PT/rehab?

My insurance seems good enough, It has nothing to do with my income, $250 / month, was able to keep my doctor, $2000 deductible, $7900 out of pocket max.

I bought it through the state website originally (2016), but have reenrolled directly since. Don't know if other states are better / worse or if the price will increase substantially as I age or if I were to get sick -- mainly I don't know much from a legal perspective, but right now as a late 20 something working for myself, it seems adequate.

I really can't see what all the fuss is about, it seems like most of the complainers, and or their companies are getting ripped off, and some government price control on health care and health insurance will help reduce our exposure for expenses we already end up paying.

I'm obviously not the most knowledgeable about this topic, but individual payer, state regulated insurance seems like an alright solution. It seems like you could benefit, given how much you are paying.

Sally Vix wrote:

This is on top of someone already paying (in my case) about $15,000 a year in insurance premiums. I have coworkers who are already paying about $30,000 in insurance premiums. ...We just can't afford it.

Ummm....I think you are missing a key aspect of a single payer system....there would be no insurance premiums unless you wanted to buy additional coverage.

Too, since tax law views your employees contribution as part of your compensation ( a key historical driver to work based coverage), you might expect your personal take home pay to go up by both your own contribution as well as your employer contribution....then you should consider the effect of increased Medicare cost.

Sally Vix wrote:

This is on top of someone already paying (in my case) about $15,000 a year in insurance premiums. I have coworkers who are already paying about $30,000 in insurance premiums. Can we really afford to pay for health insurance for everyone, especially for those who are her illegally? I make more than $100K but let's say I made 100k. I maybe pay about $25,000 in taxes and then we add another $35,000 for health insurance. That is $60,000 a year just on taxes and on health insurance. I live in Texas so no state income taxes which might be another 7%. How can anyone justify having citizens pay for health insurance for people her illegally? We just can't afford it.

So I don't know where you are getting your numbers.

Here are Sanders' options:

Alan

Marksch wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

This is on top of someone already paying (in my case) about $15,000 a year in insurance premiums. I have coworkers who are already paying about $30,000 in insurance premiums. ...We just can't afford it.

Ummm....I think you are missing a key aspect of a single payer system....there would be no insurance premiums unless you wanted to buy additional coverage.

Too, since tax law views your employees contribution as part of your compensation ( a key historical driver to work based coverage), you might expect your personal take home pay to go up by both your own contribution as well as your employer contribution....then you should consider the effect of increased Medicare cost.

So, I would have no insurance premiums? Sign me up for that!

Medicare-for-all doesn't cover illegals. Why do people think illegals get benefits? That myth has been debunked a million times. They don't get unemployment checks, they don't get health insurance, they don't get anything.

That said, medicare-for-all or any single payer system will never work in a country as big and demographically diverse as the US. The only way for it to work is if each generation is identical. If one generation is larger than another the whole system collapses. That's why the numbers don't work in the US but other more demographically equal countries it works just fine.

Well all the democratic candidates said in the debate illegals will have free care under their system. In other words come cross over for care and go back no questions asked

Your estimate is absolutely absurd. Medicare for all would mean no private insurance premiums and you'd probably save a good deal, depending on how income is calculated, what is excluded, and how many family members there are.

According to Vox, "Premiums would be capped at about 10 percent of a household’s income, while lower-income families would pay less. Out-of-pocket costs would be capped at $3,500 for an individual, $5,000 for a family, with less affluent families again receiving a break."

Why is everything always doom-gloom with you folks, Sally? Want to go back in history and review all such similar claims, then realize how wrong you always are?

Expensive, yes. But, the pleasure you’ll get out helping others is truly priceless.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Your estimate is absolutely absurd. Medicare for all would mean no private insurance premiums and you'd probably save a good deal, depending on how income is calculated, what is excluded, and how many family members there are.

According to Vox, "Premiums would be capped at about 10 percent of a household’s income, while lower-income families would pay less. Out-of-pocket costs would be capped at $3,500 for an individual, $5,000 for a family, with less affluent families again receiving a break."

I don't believe Vox. I read a reputable article saying that anyone making $100,000 would be paying an ADDITIONAL $20,000 per year in health insurance. This is on top of already what you pay. And ALL THE Democratic presidential candidates want to provide health care for the illegals. Again, they ALL want to provide health insurance/care for illegals.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Your estimate is absolutely absurd. Medicare for all would mean no private insurance premiums and you'd probably save a good deal, depending on how income is calculated, what is excluded, and how many family members there are.

Yeah right, just like how I was supposed to "save" $2500 a year when Obamacare was passed.

Sally Vix wrote:

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Your estimate is absolutely absurd. Medicare for all would mean no private insurance premiums and you'd probably save a good deal, depending on how income is calculated, what is excluded, and how many family members there are.

According to Vox, "Premiums would be capped at about 10 percent of a household’s income, while lower-income families would pay less. Out-of-pocket costs would be capped at $3,500 for an individual, $5,000 for a family, with less affluent families again receiving a break."

I don't believe Vox. I read a reputable article saying that anyone making $100,000 would be paying an ADDITIONAL $20,000 per year in health insurance. This is on top of already what you pay. And ALL THE Democratic presidential candidates want to provide health care for the illegals. Again, they ALL want to provide health insurance/care for illegals.

Can you cite this "reputable article" Without that, people are going to think you're just pulling #'s out of your arse.

kmaclam wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

I don't believe Vox. I read a reputable article saying that anyone making $100,000 would be paying an ADDITIONAL $20,000 per year in health insurance. This is on top of already what you pay. And ALL THE Democratic presidential candidates want to provide health care for the illegals. Again, they ALL want to provide health insurance/care for illegals.

Can you cite this "reputable article" Without that, people are going to think you're just pulling #'s out of your arse.

Yeah I’m really doubting that truth to paying 20,000 extra ON TOP OF what you pay already. That’s not how it is supposed to work, and frankly doesn’t make much sense.

Medicare for those who want it seems like a much more sensible way to go.

If private insurance companies cannot compete, more people will choose Medicare and private insurance will lose out over time and we will move to a medicare for all plan.

I don't believe medicare for all will pay by only taxing high income earners. I think the middle class will have to pay more. I am not completely against higher taxes on the middle class to pay for it but think politicians shouldn't lie about this.

I see a lot of people wanting to keep their company funded health insurance plan they have now if they have a ppo plan. I know I like my insurance now and wouldn't want to change it.

Please educate yourself on this and desist with the propaganda.

Maybe the US should join the rest of the so-called civilized world and provide for its citizens health care which we BTW already pay for. A real crazy idea would be to spend our tax dollars on our health and well-being rather than the $1.4 trillion dollars per year spent on the US Military Budget which benefits the super-wealthy and creates toxic waste sites all across the planet. I know, crazy idea, spending our tax monies on health and well-being rather than death and destruction.

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sbeefyk2 wrote:

Medicare-for-all doesn't cover illegals. Why do people think illegals get benefits? That myth has been debunked a million times. They don't get unemployment checks, they don't get health insurance, they don't get anything.

That said, medicare-for-all or any single payer system will never work in a country as big and demographically diverse as the US. The only way for it to work is if each generation is identical. If one generation is larger than another the whole system collapses. That's why the numbers don't work in the US but other more demographically equal countries it works just fine.

Is not free public schooling through 12th grade a benefit?