Official Democratic Debate thread

Too many people, so little substance wrote:

Buttigieg was the most presidential and seems to be playing the long game, not saying things which could come back to haunt him in the general election.

I’m still trying to figure out what “The racial divide lives within me” means

I really liked Delaney's performance. Pointed out the ridiculousness of Warren and Bernie's proposals. He's also the only person ever that's said the obvious, the best way to tax the wealthy is to increase capital gains tax rates. No brainer. He knows that because he has $65mil in the bank and has probably been using capital gains to shelter most of his earnings from taxes. Solid night for him. I hope he sticks around for the third and fourth debates to continue to heckle the radicals.

The fact is that Americans agree with Democrats on the vast majority of the issues, including climate change, Medicare for All, free college, and taxing the wealthy. For years, Democrats have been campaigning toward the center and delivering very little as a result, whereas Republicans have been campaigning and governing further and further toward the right and delivering the goods only for the wealthy. Time for Democrats to run and govern in a way that will change this country for the better and restore a sense of fairness.

Majorities for the Democrats on just about every issue:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/02/04/state-of-the-union-2019-how-americans-see-major-national-issues/

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Majorities for the Democrats on just about every issue:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/02/04/state-of-the-union-2019-how-americans-see-major-national-issues/

"It's the economy, stupid." If the economy is doing well Trump will win, if not the Dems have a chance if they nominate a candidate that people believe has a knowledge about the economy.

zxczcvx wrote:

The fact is that Americans agree with Democrats on the vast majority of the issues, including climate change, Medicare for All, free college, and taxing the wealthy. For years, Democrats have been campaigning toward the center and delivering very little as a result, whereas Republicans have been campaigning and governing further and further toward the right and delivering the goods only for the wealthy. Time for Democrats to run and govern in a way that will change this country for the better and restore a sense of fairness.

I think you're bending "facts" there. The majority may say that climate change, healthcare costs, college debt and costs, and taxes are a problem. However, it's not a fact that a majority of Americans want Medicare for All or free college. There are more moderate solutions to healthcare costs and college costs.

Hell, half the Democrats on the stage don't want those things. How are you going to get 60 votes in the Senate when no Republicans want those things, and half the Dems don't want them either? As Delaney said, dead on arrival. They may as well propose a free 2000sq ft house for every citizen. It's not going to happen.

The Dems have several people that have been successful business people. That have actually solved real problems with practical solutions. I have no idea why Hickenlooper, Delaney, and Yang aren't getting more support. And you have these two nitwits, Warren and Bernie, that are near the top of the polls. Get a clue Dems, or you're going to have 4 more years of Trump.

[quote]XY wrote:

Williamson was a shocker. Powerful with great lines. However, reparations are a stupid idea, and not an idea poor whites will like.

"Warren- great"

This all one needs to know about Warren:

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-Native-13592415.php

UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:

The Dems have several people that have been successful business people. That have actually solved real problems with practical solutions. I have no idea why Hickenlooper, Delaney, and Yang aren't getting more support. And you have these two nitwits, Warren and Bernie, that are near the top of the polls. Get a clue Dems, or you're going to have 4 more years of Trump.

Correct. Trump wins again!

KAG2020

zxczcvx wrote:

The fact is that Americans agree with Democrats on the vast majority of the issues, including climate change, Medicare for All, free college, and taxing the wealthy. For years, Democrats have been campaigning toward the center and delivering very little as a result, whereas Republicans have been campaigning and governing further and further toward the right and delivering the goods only for the wealthy. Time for Democrats to run and govern in a way that will change this country for the better and restore a sense of fairness.

Please show me something that states that a majority of Americans believe we need free college.

zxczcvx wrote:

The fact is that Americans agree with Democrats on the vast majority of the issues, including climate change, Medicare for All, free college, and taxing the wealthy. For years, Democrats have been campaigning toward the center and delivering very little as a result, whereas Republicans have been campaigning and governing further and further toward the right and delivering the goods only for the wealthy. Time for Democrats to run and govern in a way that will change this country for the better and restore a sense of fairness.

So this includes spending 90 trillion dollars on AOC New GReen plan, providing health insurance to illegals, decriminalizing the act of coming over the border unlawfully, eliminating all forms of private health insurance, etc. . You want all this batsh%t crazy stuff?

I favor Warren right now.

Strong progressive. Not wishy washy on where she stands and not looking to compromise.

She will be the stark contrast to Trump for voters that want Trump gone.

If enough voters in the right geographical places want Trump to stay, then he stays.

I know Medicare for all won’t pass.

But the ACA will be strengthened under her. And I believe there will be a Medicare option to buy into.

wejo wrote:

I had to eat and now you all are making me think I shouldn’t turn it back on.

Feel like their best way to beat Trump would be to nominate some moderate who doesn’t get riled up. The more left they go the harder it will become.

A way more interesting debate would be Trump taking on all of them at once. People might ppv that

It won't matter who the Democrat is if a recession occurs before the election. They can choose Karl Marx and he could beat Trump if a recession puts everyone out of a job. Especially because Trump's base is more prone to losing jobs in a recession.

Other than that, you are right! Biden is the only one moderate enough to stand a chance. If they choose a lefty then moderate lefts like myself will just not vote again. Actually I wrote in Rand Paul in 2016. And I'll write in Rand Paul in 2020. In CA my vote should have been thrown out since Rand wasn't officially a write in candidate.

Sally Vix wrote:So this includes spending 90 trillion dollars on AOC New GReen plan, providing health insurance to illegals, decriminalizing the act of coming over the border unlawfully, eliminating all forms of private health insurance, etc. . You want all this batsh%t crazy stuff?

I will take all of that batsh-- crazy stuff over stoking war and siphoning funds toward the military industrial complex. Spend the money on diplomats instead of warriors. Trade with more nations so they become reliant on you and have no reason to go to war with you.

Except you see the current administration doing the exact opposite to further itself:

-Restrict trade with China, Iran, Cuba, and basically every nation possible in an effort to "put America first."

-Use the heightened tensions and self-created gap between other nations as a reason to bolster military spending.

-Tell people you'll protect them (from tensions you manufactured) and keep their military jobs (if they vote for you).

Say whaaa? wrote:

I’m still trying to figure out what “The racial divide lives within me” means

Ha ha, I noticed that too. It was hilarious.

He made a big blunder there, and then quickly tried to change the subject.

zxczcvx wrote:

The fact is that Americans agree with Democrats on the vast majority of the issues, including climate change, Medicare for All, free college, and taxing the wealthy. For years, Democrats have been campaigning toward the center and delivering very little as a result, whereas Republicans have been campaigning and governing further and further toward the right and delivering the goods only for the wealthy. Time for Democrats to run and govern in a way that will change this country for the better and restore a sense of fairness.

Well said. The sooner that happens, the better.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

This all one needs to know about Warren

There is nothing on the link you posted about Warren not being Native American.

In fact, other than the headline, the link confirms that she has DNA proof of Native American heritage.

What she apologized for, if I understand the issue correctly, was releasing the results of the DNA testing,

because apparently the Cherokee Nation feels that any DNA testing is their sole prerogative to do and release.

"I told him I was sorry for furthering confusion about tribal citizenship," Warren said.

She DOES have Native American heritage, and is fully within her rights to use that term, if she wishes to do so.

The issue is a total red herring though, and simply a Republican talking point.

Tim Ryan seems to be the cream of the crop here.