Julian coaches Brazier and Salazar coaches Murphy

Both are running slower as pros with the NOP than they did in the NCAA.

How does everyone miss this?

Mr vickie wrote:

Both are running slower as pros with the NOP than they did in the NCAA.

How does everyone miss this?

Winning is what matters.

Usually it's the losers that congratulate the winner, not vice versa.

Mr vickie wrote:

Both are running slower as pros with the NOP than they did in the NCAA.

How does everyone miss this?

They are running consistently better though. They both basically had one off performances in college that are their PRs. It would not surprise me to see either of them, especially brazier, beat their PRs this season or soon thereafter.

What upsets me about Brazier is his lazy work ethic. Guy only runs 35 miles a week and seems to me like he doesn’t even care about running just a freakish athlete who does it just to do it, Doesn’t seem like he would fit in at a group like The Oregon Project.

Mr vickie wrote:

Both are running slower as pros with the NOP than they did in the NCAA.

How does everyone miss this?

I don't think ANYONE is missing this and not that uncommon of a reality for guys who improve very fast.

But, since you're so adamant: Murphy ran 1:46 while in the NCAA, then PR'd massively at USA, then again in Rio, after graduating. He's run faster in the last three years, than he ran while at Akron and in the NCAA.

Les wrote:

Usually it's the losers that congratulate the winner, not vice versa.

Well yeah, maybe. But you can congratulate the runners-up for a good race/effort, for making the team, but putting up a good fight, etc. In fact, isn't it easier to be gracious/and say "good race" when you won, then when you didn't?

But either way, I wasn't blaming Brazier. I just thought it weird that neither turned to the other after the race for even the cursory/customary "good job." But they did it to others.

Mr vickie wrote:

Both are running slower as pros with the NOP than they did in the NCAA.

How does everyone miss this?

1:44.41i is better than any race Brazier had in the NCAA.

Frantix wrote:

What upsets me about Brazier is his lazy work ethic. Guy only runs 35 miles a week and seems to me like he doesn’t even care about running just a freakish athlete who does it just to do it, Doesn’t seem like he would fit in at a group like The Oregon Project.

Yeah. He should run as many miles as all the guys he is beating badly. That way, he can be just like them.

Quality not quantity....running 101.

Frantix wrote:

What upsets me about Brazier is his lazy work ethic. Guy only runs 35 miles a week and seems to me like he doesn’t even care about running just a freakish athlete who does it just to do it, Doesn’t seem like he would fit in at a group like The Oregon Project.

yeah, and here you are doing....what exactly? who are you?

Scorpion_runner wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

Either this is some hall of fame trolling or you are completely out of touch.

Ask the BTC women if they are suffering by training with Houlihan. Ask Chelimo if he thinks he's hurting his training group in Colorado.

Go ask Raven Rodgers how is it working out for her by training with Ajee Wilson, and Charlene Lipsey as well. Wasn't Blake Usain's training partner as well? And Rupp being Mo's whipping boy.

For some people it works, for some it does not.

Rodgers is having a great year, what are you talking about? She's emerged as one of the top 3 800 runners in the nation. Lipsey also did benefit greatly training with Ajee Wilson, doesn't seem to be healthy this year. Blake was running well too, until he got caught for drugs. Rupp also got a silver medal because he knew Mo's tactics going into the race and hopped into the slipstream on his way to the finish.

Do you really think these athletes didn't benefit by having an A+ training partner? lol like they would be better going somewhere else? In no dimension would Rupp ever be beating Mo Farah in anything on the track. His best years were training with Mo.

Frantix wrote:

What upsets me about Brazier is his lazy work ethic. Guy only runs 35 miles a week and seems to me like he doesn’t even care about running just a freakish athlete who does it just to do it, Doesn’t seem like he would fit in at a group like The Oregon Project.

Imagine thinking that somebody is lazy because their mileage isn't as high as they think it should be. You're missing the point man, mileage is relative to every athlete. He is running as much as he can handle. Obviously it's working.

Brazier is not lazy, he just also isn't a distance runner. Murphy probably doesn't run 100 miles per week or anything. The people in this thread are crazy. For what it's worth, Brazier has been a super nice kid since high school.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Donovan said it in his lets run interview.

And Julian coaches Engels I believe.

Murphy is going backwards if you ask me. And having Donovan there is not helping.

You can’t train with someone who is better than you or is the top dog. Murphy is going to have to leave if he wants to get back to top level again.

Salazar is too focused on Hassan, Yomif, hasay and rupp.

The only way to get better is to train with those better than you. Leaving to train elsewhere would be like not going to a race because there might be someone there that might beat you.

Old is as old does wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Donovan said it in his lets run interview.

And Julian coaches Engels I believe.

Murphy is going backwards if you ask me. And having Donovan there is not helping.

You can’t train with someone who is better than you or is the top dog. Murphy is going to have to leave if he wants to get back to top level again.

Salazar is too focused on Hassan, Yomif, hasay and rupp.

The only way to get better is to train with those better than you. Leaving to train elsewhere would be like not going to a race because there might be someone there that might beat you.

So if you're the best, you simply can't get better? Makes a lot of sense.

Old is as old does wrote:

The only way to get better is to train with those better than you. Leaving to train elsewhere would be like not going to a race because there might be someone there that might beat you.

That is most definitely not the ONLY way to get better. Evidence exists everywhere of people improving while at the top of their training group. See: every high school.

Why does the NOP need two coaches who do not work together?

C Nau wrote:

Why does the NOP need two coaches who do not work together?

I believe they do work together. They just micro manage their own athletes. Probably the best way for everyone to get the most attention possible. I’m sure Pete and Alberto talk daily and combine groups when applicable.

I would like someone to interview Pete or Alberto about the dynamic and their relationship and coaching, though.

I guess no one pays attention here.

Brazier set an American Record indoors this year.

He didn't do it while in college.

Thanks.

The video was finally up today and I have to say that Murphy does not have much to worry about right now in terms of his form. He got boxed really badly and never had good positioning, but when he finally got out of the box, he showed impressive speed. I think that he is ready to run low 1:43, if not better in the next month. Time to practice tactics in fast Euro races.