Julian coaches Brazier and Salazar coaches Murphy

In a race with a first lap of 55, Murphy cannot let himself be off the pace with a guy like Brazier to beat.

These guys in my view are much more similar as runners than people think, if you look at their best 4x400m splits and their upper distance credentials. Murphy might well be there at the end at World's, and if we're lucky both will medal with one taking the gold. If Amos is not right and Korir continues to underwhelm this year, they might well get gold/silver.

I think the 800M is one of the most difficult events in which to make a final. Hence, it is an unpredictable event most years (Rudisha made it far less so, but he is an outlier). No knock on our great 800M guys, but nothing can be taken for granted in this event.

Unfortunately for Schumacher and fortunately for Salazar, they both know Julian is fully responsible for his athletes. Let’s not forget Klosterhalfen (8:20 3k) and Osako (2:05 marathon) just recently as well. Julian just had a guy win the 800 and 1500 at USAs taking some big scalps in the process. Let’s give the man the credit he deserves. He’s emerged as one of our countries top coaches.

DankMemesConnoisseur wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Donovan said it in his lets run interview.

And Julian coaches Engels I believe.

Murphy is going backwards if you ask me. And having Donovan there is not helping.

You can’t train with someone who is better than you or is the top dog. Murphy is going to have to leave if he wants to get back to top level again.

Salazar is too focused on Hassan, Yomif, hasay and rupp.

Salazar coaches the Nike Oregon project. Pete Julian holds a stopwatch.

Julian was put there to take some heat off of the Nike Oregon project after the NOP doping stuff from 2015 started to bring a lot of negative attention to the group.

If you follow any one of them on social media you see that they all train together. It's just one team.

I get the impression that Murphy is overtraining but is talented enough to survive at the moment. He frequently mentions in interviews how hard the training is and that workouts feel harder than races or he’s going all out.

DankMemesConnoisseur wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Donovan said it in his lets run interview.

And Julian coaches Engels I believe.

Murphy is going backwards if you ask me. And having Donovan there is not helping.

You can’t train with someone who is better than you or is the top dog. Murphy is going to have to leave if he wants to get back to top level again.

Salazar is too focused on Hassan, Yomif, hasay and rupp.

Salazar coaches the Nike Oregon project. Pete Julian holds a stopwatch.

Julian was put there to take some heat off of the Nike Oregon project after the NOP doping stuff from 2015 started to bring a lot of negative attention to the group.

If you follow any one of them on social media you see that they all train together. It's just one team.

Julian was hired in 2012 and does a lot more than a hold a stopwatch. The only thing you got right is that it's just one team.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Salazar is too focused on Hassan, Yomif, hasay and rupp.

Right. Because it takes eight hours a day to coach four athletes.

Lolololololololol.

Nick Willis GOAT wrote:

PRRRR wrote:

Hence why Centro left that group.

He's a fool for leaving. What does he think BTC can offer him that NOP couldn't?

NOT being associated with a certain grey-area coach.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

You can’t train with someone who is better than you or is the top dog. Murphy is going to have to leave if he wants to get back to top level again.

Salazar is too focused on Hassan, Yomif, hasay and rupp.

Either this is some hall of fame trolling or you are completely out of touch.

Ask the BTC women if they are suffering by training with Houlihan. Ask Chelimo if he thinks he's hurting his training group in Colorado.

Did not like Braziers thug like antics in the semis! Just running into the tunnel without speaking to anybody after racing Bryce! Punk move!

one big thing wrote:

Nick Willis GOAT wrote:

He's a fool for leaving. What does he think BTC can offer him that NOP couldn't?

NOT being associated with a certain grey-area coach.

BTC, don't they see the same doctor as NOP does?

WinnytheBish wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

You can’t train with someone who is better than you or is the top dog. Murphy is going to have to leave if he wants to get back to top level again.

Salazar is too focused on Hassan, Yomif, hasay and rupp.

Either this is some hall of fame trolling or you are completely out of touch.

Ask the BTC women if they are suffering by training with Houlihan. Ask Chelimo if he thinks he's hurting his training group in Colorado.

Go ask Raven Rodgers how is it working out for her by training with Ajee Wilson, and Charlene Lipsey as well. Wasn't Blake Usain's training partner as well? And Rupp being Mo's whipping boy.

For some people it works, for some it does not.

educate yourself wrote:

DankMemesConnoisseur wrote:

Salazar coaches the Nike Oregon project. Pete Julian holds a stopwatch.

Julian was put there to take some heat off of the Nike Oregon project after the NOP doping stuff from 2015 started to bring a lot of negative attention to the group.

If you follow any one of them on social media you see that they all train together. It's just one team.

Julian was hired in 2012 and does a lot more than a hold a stopwatch. The only thing you got right is that it's just one team.

Ok, but they do train together, right? Either way, there is absolutely some friction there between them, hardly a best training buds situation. Because when Brazier won, he just pointed up at the crowd in a somewhat angry/defiant/happy way that looked like "I showed them, I showed the doubters!" gesture, and then didn't look at any competitors for a moment (he knew Murph was right behind him the whole time, he saw it on the screen), finally turned and acknowledged/took congrats from several runners, but never even looked at Murphy. Then turned and went into the crowd to hug his family. Never acknowledged his "teammate/training partner" for one second. So....... yeah. (and not blaming Brazier, Murphy didn't congratulate him). Now eventually, it might have happened, and NBC brought them together for a post -race interview, but even then, they looked a little awkward near each other.

While it's good train with the best, training against your #1 competition in the country might be a questionable idea. You want to beat that guy more than anyone, but need to "help" every day in training?

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Go ask Raven Rodgers how is it working out for her by training with Ajee Wilson, and Charlene Lipsey as well. Wasn't Blake Usain's training partner as well? And Rupp being Mo's whipping boy.

For some people it works, for some it does not.

Good point. Mo and Galen were different though. Mo was from a different country, and Mo was clearly top dog.

But yes, it can work. Not sure if, by the body language, or lack thereof, it is working for these 2. We'll see.

Brazier was pointing at friends in the stands when he was pointing up there. Next time try not to be an idiot before making brazier out to be a villain.

Calm down. Ok, I exaggerated Brazier's reaction when pointing. He just looked a little like "take that bitches", and there ain't nothing wrong with that. I like Brazier, probably more than Murphy. And I said Murphy didn't congratulate Brazier. I was hardly trying to "make Brazier out to be a villain." Maybe you need help with your reading comprehension, Idiot12 ?

My point was: they ignored each other. They went 1-2, both made the team, and each congratulated/acknowledged other runners in the race at the end. But not each other. It was a 2 way street. Just saying that they are hardly good buds it seems to me. Most training partners congratulate each other. Hell, even Coleman immediately shook Lyles' hand! But not these two. Icy.

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

educate yourself wrote:

Salazar coaches the Nike Oregon project. Pete Julian holds a stopwatch.

Julian was put there to take some heat off of the Nike Oregon project after the NOP doping stuff from 2015 started to bring a lot of negative attention to the group.

If you follow any one of them on social media you see that they all train together. It's just one team.

Julian was hired in 2012 and does a lot more than a hold a stopwatch. The only thing you got right is that it's just one team.

Ok, but they do train together, right? Either way, there is absolutely some friction there between them, hardly a best training buds situation. Because when Brazier won, he just pointed up at the crowd in a somewhat angry/defiant/happy way that looked like "I showed them, I showed the doubters!" gesture, and then didn't look at any competitors for a moment (he knew Murph was right behind him the whole time, he saw it on the screen), finally turned and acknowledged/took congrats from several runners, but never even looked at Murphy. Then turned and went into the crowd to hug his family. Never acknowledged his "teammate/training partner" for one second. So....... yeah. (and not blaming Brazier, Murphy didn't congratulate him). Now eventually, it might have happened, and NBC brought them together for a post -race interview, but even then, they looked a little awkward near each other.

I don't think so. He stated that he trains with clayton because he likes training with the best. So I don't think there is any animosity between the two, just pressure because they both run the same distance.

Brazier strikes me as a massive douche. Confirmed here.

Bad Racing Tactics wrote:

Murphy keeps putting himself in 6th place with 200 to go and trying to kick past people thinking he's the best kicker. He's not a 400/800 guy, he's a 800/1500 guy. He doesn't have the top speed like Brazier, so I don't know why he thinks he can kick ahead of those types of guys. He needs to put himself in good position and try to hold on.

I think this is a lesson Nick Symmonds learned to late!

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